Michael Dokes is dead.

So what were his best wins and when was his prime, Dokes expert?

Hint: He's from the 70's and 80's so none of this matters.

 

Vitali was fighting out of LA when he fought Lennox, I think.

 

I'd say the stoppage of Weaver would probably rank as his best win

I'd say his prime was the early 1980s

 

Wasn't much of a stoppage to be fair.

 

agree, very controversial

Understandable in the hysteria over Mancini-Kim and the brutal Pryor-Arguello

 

Bob Arum was responsible for most of that. He wanted a year-long intervention on title fights. Of course, he didn't have any title fights organized at that time.

 

Cdogg already answered that, and he is correct. And anyone who has heard of Dokes before this topic was started (which leaves you out) would know this. Only someone so desperate to go against the grain be like you would make a big deal about the loss to Ruddock.

Hint: You don't have a thought about a fighter that wasn't created from skimming BoxRec.

 

Yep. Most certainly NOT at the time of the Ruddock fight.

 

It was definitely a quick stoppage. I was like "Whaaaaatt??" when it happened. Although Weaver didn't help his case by not punching back when on the ropes.

 

There Once Was A Fellow Called Dokes
Who Spent Most Of His Time Scoring Tokes
So To Limit This Strife
He Beat Up His Wife
Yet Was Remembered Here A Swell Bloke

Last Night A Milf And A Dyke
Got It On For 10 Rounds And Despite
We All Knew It Was Shit
Said One "NO! NOT A BIT!!!"
And That Wankers Name It Was MikE

 

Weaver was a specimen. The way I remember the story being recalled was that the TV guys were terrified of Weaver and didn't want Holmes to fight him, but Holmes manned up and accepted the challenge. Thats not how you guys are telling the story, with the version here being that Weaver was regarded as a soft touch that Larry was criticized for fighting :: Larry obviously has a perfectly selective memory.

 

Weaver was matched tough out of the gate early in his career... put in with a lot of far more experienced guys... he lost quite a few coming up, so when he challenged Holmes, few had heard of him. He gave a great effort that night and really made Larry fight hard. Holmes' was a remarkably resilient guy. Hurting Larry was one thing. Keeping him hurt was a different animal entirely.

 

dipshit, he answered the question after I asked it, after you avoided answering it more than once, and before this asinine response where you joined in.

You're the one who gushed praise in a desparate way to brag up this era "He was a tremendously gifted fighter..." The guy wasn't much, but he was okay. Sort of Lamon Brewster with fewer accomplishments. Hell, he doesn't even compare favorably to Clifford Etienne in accomplishments unless you really squint hard and suck on Mike Weaver. Talent-wise I think he fits somewhere between Brewster and Etienne.

 

come on

The one thing Dokes had loads of was talent

Around the time of Holmes' reign as the de facto number one guy, there was absolutely no doubt whom the heir apparent was. Dokes had all the tools. What he lacked was dedication and discipline, He is a fighter who could be accused of letting his press clippings get the better of him.

There's a reason he was regarded and still is regarded as one of the best known examples of a guy who did not reach his potential. The reason is that he had a hell of a lot of talent and know-how. Of that era, after the emergence of Holmes and before the emergence of Mike Tyson, the two guys who seemed like sure things were Dokes and Greg Page. Despite good performances here and there, neither man ever panned out because neither man was dedicated or hard-working enough.

 

Yet more drivel from someone who knows nothing about the fighter he is talking about. The more you depend on BoxRec, the more you make a jackass out of yourself.

Are you still sticking with that ridiculous notion that Dokes wasn't past prime at the time of the Ruddock fight? Or are you still just trying to be opposite-guy due some pathetic need for attention??

Forming opinions from BoxRec while having no clue of the actual context of the time is actually really embarrassing, and not just for you. I cringe whenever I see you trying to show how much you know about a fighter when you are clearly taking out of your ass.

You've proven you don't know Jack-Shit about yet another fighter. Good job.

 

Weaver lost to Duane AND Rodney Bobick prior to the Holmes fight. He wasn't "terrifying" anyone. I know you like to be opposite guy all the time, but please try to keep up. He was, at best, a tough journeyman going into the Holmes fight.

 

BoxRec doesn't say any of this (even though it's true), so it never happened.

 

Muscular as Hell, Especially for that Era...Weaver was Sometimes Referred to as "Iron Mike" (PRIOR to Tyson) & "Hercules"...



REED:kidcool:

 

Kenny Norton gave Weaver the "Hercules" nickname when Weaver was his sparring partner.

 

"I remember a story....."

I read a story in Boxing Monthly as I recall.....that Weaver had the TV guys terrified and that they didn't want Holmes to take the fight.

I believe it was Holmes trying to make out that Weaver was, at the time Holmes fought him, exactly what Weaver would go on to become, i.e. a highly regarded opponent.

I am more in line with the general consensus here that Weaver was far more lightly regarded and that Larry was merely trying to cash in on Weavers subsequent improvements and accomplishments.

 

Weaver even tried to rock the tache like Norton did, never carried it off though, plus Norton went the distance with Holmes. I bet Norton rings him to this day about both those things.

"Hey Mike!! I gots the better tache....never been knocked out by no Larry Holmes, Mike!! Hey Mike!!!! You there??!! "

 

There Once Was A Fellow Called Weaver
Whose Body Was Cut Like A Cleaver
Now Its Not That Important
Who Got More Tail, Him Or Norton
They Both Got Their Fair Share Of Beaver.

 

Just going from memory, I don't remember Weaver entering the Holmes fight as a feared opponent or as much of a known quantity at all. I could be wrong.

In fact, I thought Holmes was ducking a rematch with Shavers at the time.

 

Correct.

TV executives refused to show Holmes/Weaver because Weaver was seen as some 19-8 scrub for Holmes to beat up on and a mismatch was expected

The bout was on HBO only. In those days, that was very exclusive as few people had HBO

 

There you have it then. Classic spin from Larry.

 

oh, no question about that

 

It's a shame it wasn't on regular TV. Millions missed a fantastic fight

 

Everybody in Europe caught it :scared2::laugh11:

 

:flip:

 

You are correct about Weaver. He wasn't regarded as a dangerous opponent for Holmes at the time of their fight.