Strikeforce: Rousey-Kaufman 8/18/12 Showtime

I said Testosterone, not steroids..............though I'm sure that's the only way SHE can look or sound like that.

A "female" athlete, does not look or sound like that, without using steroids, HGH, male hormone therapy, testosterone, whatever....................I don't know what she's on, but a female does not get like that lifting weights and working out.

 

It certainly can be ONE of the signs of Testosterone use however she's not tested positive for Testosterone. She tested positive for Winstrol which doesn't really have that affect. Not saying she does or does not take any other drugs, just saying she hasn't been caught and a deep voice is not 100% definitive proof.

 

C'mon, she's got the face of Rocky Marciano, the voice of Isaac Hayes, and the neck of Dwight Braxton.

That's not from eating at Whole Foods and doing man-style push-ups. :nono:

 

Possibly but you left out that she hits like the Rock too.

 

Do you have a man crush on Cyborg? Why would you defend it?

 

She's bad ass dude. You may or may not like before or after she got caught, but that chick can fucking the beat the Hell out of any woman in MMA today. She's not all that pretty but I respect her ability.

 

Who would be the pitcher and who would be the catcher if you two "hooked up"

:giggle:

 

That little Japanese girl she fought last time out looked like a domestic abuse victim.

Afraid to strike back in fear it would just make the beating worse.


"To the moon Hiroko, to the moon!"



:fist:

 

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I'd pitch, I think my tool is bigger than hers.

 

Sure I can. Do you honestly think she suddenly said "Holy cow, after beating the living shit out of 10 straight opponents, I better take some steroids for my up coming fight."???

I suppose you could argue it was a weight cut issue, but that doesn't hold water (no pun intended) because Santos has struggled to hit 145 in previous fights.

Honestly, it's just like Overeem. It was widely accepted speculation for years but wasn't fact until he failed a test. It's not a coincidence. He, like Cyborg, had clearly built themselves up thru unnatural means. All the failed test did was turn it from speculation to fact.

It is absolutely naive to think otherwise.

 

The fact is you can't prove it though, and that's the end of the story. Everyone will have their suspicions but still its not proven. Did Steroids help Nate Marquardt, Tim Sylvia or Josh Barnett?

 

Actually yes. Each of them has had very successful MMA careers. Hell, all of them have held various MMA titles during their careers. What a silly ass question. Didn't freaking Josh Barnett BEAT Couture for the UFC title while juicing. Yes, I am certain he failed the drug test for THAT fight.

So yeah, steroids helped Barnett win a UFC title. LOL. It also helped him get stripped of it. Was that a serious question?

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And yes, they are all proven cheaters. That too, is fact. It's not speculation, it's not a grey area, it's not suspicion. They have EACHED tested positive for PED's.

They are cheaters. In my opinion, it negates the positives of their careers.

 

Get real dude. Stanozol or Winstrol is basically created from dihydrotestosterone.

In women, it can absolutely lead to more masculine features INCLUDING a deepened voice.

So yes, it really can have that affect. A deep voice, manly jaw, broad shoulders, facial hair, increased strength, etc do NOT automatically means Cyborg is juicing.

But you know what does.....





































A failed fucking drug test.

 

Do you know the difference between anabolic and androgenic drugs and their side effects? I reckon you can Google it though.

 

Tell you what, rather than me googling it. Why don't YOU tell me the difference between anabolic and androgenic drugs.

This should be fun. And holy shit be prepared becaise then I get to talk about the similar qualities. Deal?

Remember you said "difference" between the two.

Shoot.

 

You're killing me. Come on and post how one is basically muscle building while the other is for developing masculine characteristics.

And then I can rip the shit out of it by showing that the qualities of each overlap and neither is exclusive.

Sure a woman is going to use the steroid that creates the lesser anndrogenic effect but that doesn't mean ANY testosterone derivative won't increase masculinity.

That is just a ridiculous statement.

 

I asked a simple question if you knew the difference and the side effects that are normally associated with them? Not that a drug can't have both characteristics but it can be far more of one than the other.

 

Some steroids can have mild androgenic effects at low doses while still having anabolic effects. Low dose anavar is popular with women in bodybuilding for that reason. Higher doses still cause androgenic side effects. Almost all other steroids have higher androgenic ratings, including winstrol.

I'm not against steroids in general, but I'm against it when a "woman" uses them to basically become a man and beat up women who train naturally. I don't think Cyborg deserves a big payday after basing her entire career off cheating, but I'm still interested in what would happen as a fight fan. I'd hate to see her beat Ronda (since Ronda's hot). I'm not sure that would happen if Cyborg had to train for a few months without roids.

 

The thing is you can't prove she's been cheating her whole career, you can only speculate and that's just not fair to her. She's not that pretty in the face, doubt that has anything to do with steroids, she's muscular but not female bodybuilder muscular. Whether or not I believe she's done some here or there is irrelevant as I believe many pro fighters have. All that matters is that you don't get caught.

 

Umm, not fair? Isn't that kind of the risk you run when you decide to use steroids? She made the decision to cheat and the consequences, which include tainting her ENTIRE career, are justified.

 

Actually you indicated that Winstrol, because it's anabolic, doesn't have androgenic effects on women.

That's just false. Science and medicine clearly disagree with you..

 

Science and medicine agrees that the side effects you speak of are far less prominent with drugs that are more anabolic than androgenic, its a fact. Androgenic drugs have a far greater chance of creating the side effects you're talking about. I guess technically you can argue sure its still a possibility, yea sure, its possible I may one day be able to build to run a 25k marathon in a 1000 man field and actually win it, but not very likely, scientifically possible though.

 

I'm not trying to be a dick about this but Cyborg isn't getting a fair shake by people that don't know much about steroids or how they work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid#Anabolic_and_androgenic_effects

As the name suggests, anabolic-androgenic steroids have two different, but overlapping, types of effects: anabolic, meaning that they promote anabolism (cell growth), and androgenic (or virilising), meaning that they affect the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics

http://www.steadyhealth.com/article...and_Winstrol_Depot__Intra_Muscular__a953.html

Why is winstrol popular among women?

Anabolic steroids are commonly associated with increased androgenic effects in women on regular use. While some of these effects may be reversible on discontinuation of the use of anabolic steroids, many changes are irreversible and hence are not preferred by many women. Winstrol does not have this property making it quite popular among female athletes.
Winstrol is believed to provide the anabolic (muscle building) effects with very minimal androgenic effects. Thereby the androgenic effects such as deepening of voice and male pattern loss of hair is rarely observed with the use of winstrol in women. Additionally the ability of winstrol to reduce fat and increase the lean look also makes it a most preferred choice of anabolic steroid among women involved in bodybuilding and other sports.

 

I know quite a bit about steroids that tend have more anabolic or androgenic properties, I also know quite a bit about Winstrol. I know why its used and what it will and likely won't do. If you want to point to Cyborg's muscularity as proof that she's on steroids, I can't confirm that as she seems to have great genetic potential to build muscle regardless of what she's taking or not taking so she's already ahead of the pack there. If you want to point to Cyborg's deeper voice as proof, again you can't prove that unless you have some old footage of her talking much higher pitched, but the likelyhood of her voice changing from drug use is slim, I've only seen deepening of a woman's voice from taking very high dosages of high androgenic steroids in female bodybuilders neither fits the bill here. If you want to point towards Cyborg's facial features, please show me some early pictures of her where she was so feminine and beautiful before the drugs changed her. I'm betting the house that she was never what most people would consider beautiful, they can't all look like Gina or Meisha.

 

So, Cyborg got caught with Winstrol I'm assuming.

All that tells me is that is what she was most recently taking and got caught with.

Based on her appearance, deep voice, enhanced facial features, gigantic neck.............it's pretty obvious she must have been abusing other anabolic steroids in the past that left her with irreversible side effects.

 

No that doesn't point to that at all. Its an assumption based on the fact that she's better than everyone else, has physical abilities that others don't have and she's just not that pretty and got caught most recently using a very mild steroid that many Olympic athletes have been busted for as well.

All of the characteristics you're describing would certainly be valid points if she were a female bodybuilder. Cris Cyborg isn't a 200lb female bodybuilder and whatever she has or hasn't used is nowhere near the dosage it would take to cause those characteristics.

 

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I'm basing my assumption on the fact that she failed a SCHEDULED drug test.

Oh wait, that's not assumption then. It's a statement of fact.

And I love the phrase 'mild steroid'. Damn, that makes it OK, right?

Oh, and how do you know the dosages she was taking?

The one thing I know for an absolute fact is the androgenic effects of any anabolic steroid differ from person to person. So you absolutely can't say what effect the drug did or didn't have on Cyborg's masculine features unless you know the day she started and what else she's used.

This pehaps the most ridiculous conversation. Cyborg is getting an unfair shake because people are making assumptions JUST because she failed a drug test.

No shit Sherlock.

 

OK dude, you know it all. Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.

 

Come on Orion, when a chick looks like Cyborg and has been suspected for years of steroid use then finally fails a test. It's hard to imagine this is the first time she has ever taken anything.