Do you want to see an immediate rematch of Chavez Jr vs Martinez?

I want to see them fight other people first. What you think.

 

I can only think that the same outcome will occur with Martinez taking less risks to trade with Chumpez.

Chumpez had success late on, but that was down to Martinez tiring. He would struggle equally in a rematch.

 

Nah, apart from Martinez' lack of concentration late the difference in class was so big that rematch wouldn't be too interesting. If Chavez became more aggressive, in all likelihood he would just get punished more (not that it wasn't worth seeing of course). Martinez vs Golovkin would be better

 

Martinez made it interesting by getting macho in the last round and refusing to hold while hurt. If Martinez acted intelligently (or simply respected Chavez more), the last round wouldn't have been half as entertaining as it was. As Ugo said, the difference in class was so apparent that I don't see any use for a rematch. There's no doubt who's the better fighter.

 

Vote in the poll, fellas.

 

I'm glad martinez didn't get seriously hurt

 

He tried like fuck to hold and fell. ::

 

I'd like to see a rematch. I'm sure it's marketable and many people would buy it. I personally wouldn't pay to see it though. I'd rather see Chavez Jr go up against a guy similar to himself in size and style like Kelly Pavlik or somebody. Would've enjoyed Chavez/Margarito actually.

 

:giggle: You meant Chumpez Jr.

BTW...eat crow, LOK!

 

Once he got up he tried to trade instead of holding.

 

NO....

 

No point whatsoever in a rematch.

No guy deserves a rematch for losing 11-1.

Maravilla proved WITHOUT A DOUBT he's in another league. He just got stupid, and almost blew it.

 

12th round was fun, it'd be fun to see if Chavez could learn from that, maybe let his hands go more... The poll is fucking stupid (no surprise) because the options are loaded

I don't know if it needs to be immediate or whatever, but I'd watch a second fight between these two fellows.

 

Cdogg, Junior ain't learning shit. He was CLUELESS in there. Martinez got too cocky, and too brave, and allowed Junior to land a lucky punch which ALMOST bailed him out. And even still, he couldn't finish Martinez.

Maravilla schooled him in one sided fashion.

I have a feeling that if you weren't a Martinez hater, you'd be saying "no point".

You still think a guy like Vito Antefermo could have beaten Martinez?

 

I have a feeling if you weren't a Martinez lover/Chavez hater, you wouldn't be calling it a lucky punch... It wasn't some wild haymaker, it was a good, well timed right hand. You guys are unreal, the guy hardly threw anything the whole fight and then when he finally started to throw punches, he nearly took the guy out. You really think he and his guys aren't going to be aware of that fact when reviewing what happened in the fight? You honestly think he wouldn't make a more concentrated effort to throw punches?

Also, this was an enormous jump in class. You think he's not smarter for the experience?

I think Vito Antuofermo would have crowded him and thrown punches, like he did when he was giving a tough fight to a fighter who would kick the shit out of Martinez, a guy by the name of Hagler

 

Who would Chavez fight next that's a good tune-up for a rematch?

Sergio Mora?

They might as well re-match each other and be done with it.

 

I'm FAAARRR from a Martinez "lover". He's not even among my top 5 favorite fighters of TODAY.

The kid was clueless. Martinez should have just boxed the last round, and he would have won a shut out. Chavez could do NOTHING when Martinez boxed. But nooo, Martinez wanted to prove his balls and stand with Chavez in the last round. Dumb idea, and he ALMOST paid for it, but even still he survived and actually HURT Junior in the last few seconds. I'm surprised no one else noticed this.

And Martinez would have cut Vito to ribbons.

You're the classic case of a guy that DOES overrate older generation fighters.

That's not to say Martinez beats Hagler, or Monzon, but he beats Vito.

 

STURM...or whatever that faggot is called...

 

I do think they had a plan of throwing punches this time too. It is not like Junior went in there to lumber around hands up and get picked off. He didn't find any creative plan or secret formula there, and if he attacks harder in the rematch, chances are that he gets busted up more than he did now. I wouldn't call it a lucky punch at all since that's what Jr was trying to do, but Martinez did get careless there

 

You're the classic guy who denigrates opponents of older generation fighters. Vito Antuofermo gave Marvin Hagler one of the toughest fights of his career. He was robbed of the title against Alan Minter. Martinez couldn't carry Hagler's jock. Hagler, who frequently bloodied opponents, was unable to cut Vito to ribbons and win easily, he was given all he could handle and even if the final decision was an unfair one, at best he won by 3 points in a 15 round fight. Yeah, I'd say the Vito Antuofermo of that fight would give Martinez all he could possible handle.

Everytime Chavez threw punches, he made something happen. Without fail, every time. He failed to let his hands go. In the 12th he let his hands go. Martinez was doing the same shit in the 12th that he was doing in the 4th, 7th, 8th, 10th, etc... the difference is that Chavez was actually throwing punches. There was nothing "lucky" about that punch. Anybody who loses a fight, you immediately call them bums and shit. Anyone that wins is elevated to classic status.

Vito Antuofermo would be the toughest, gamest guy Martinez has ever fought. Yeah, if he can get to Marvin Hagler, he can get to Primate James Bond. Marvin Hagler would have raped Martinez

 

his plan was to try and get Martinez into corners and against the ropes... He was unable to do so because he lacks the ability to cut off the ring on such a quick opponent. Still, literally every time he committed to throwing punches, he landed and made things happen.

To me, the real issue and the biggest reason he wasn't throwing, is his gas tank. Chavez looked like he was tired every time he threw some shots.

 

Hagler proved in the Vito rematch the true difference in class between them.

This isn't a debate of Hagler vs Martinez. OBVIOUSLY, Martinez gets his ass kicked badly by prime Hagler.

But Martinez is a higher calibre fighter than Antefermo, who quite honestly, would have gotten beaten up by the Youngstown drunk.

 

Immediate rematch NO....Chavez should fight a Sturm or someone with some boxing skills, who won't stand infront of him and trade...Martinez can do whatever he wants...he knows he can son Chavez jr....Rematch in 5 Mayo..? Sure go ahead if it's PPV I won't be ordering..

 

Hagler proved in the rematch that Antuofermo was washed up and unable to smile without opening up a cut

 

Exactly. I get cdogg's point in that technically speaking, Chavez has more room for improvement.

But realistically, I jsut don't see what he does differently. "Throwing more punches" is easier said than done against a guy like Martinez who is very fast for a middleweight, and accurate, with good reach. Plus throws punches from weird angles.

Chavez can plan to throw more punches in the rematch till the cows come home, but when they get in the ring nothing is going to change.

Chavez is still going to be very reticent because he'll be getting hit with punches he doesn't se coming, and countered at every opportunity. He just won't be able to help that. And if he does become significantly more aggressive, he'll get busted up, and get hit with more flush shots he doesn't see coming.

Like I said, the Pacquiao - Plasterito comparison is apt. Plasterito is a guy who relied on throwing lots of punches and being able to walk through fire. But when you're getting CONSTANTLY stung with shots you don't see coming, you just can't help not throwing as much, it doesn't matter who you are.

Similar story with Pacquiao against Marquez. Pacquiao usually throws a shit load, but Marquez's sharp counters mean Pacquiao just CAN'T throw as much as usual. Or even Floyd and Nard's opponents, they cut their opponents outputs in half.

Again, sometimes "throwing more punches" is easier said than done, even if it has some success when you do throw.

 

You are a fine man, MWS :clapagain:

So is Cdogg, even though he is still waiting for Martinez to win a Stanley Cup before giving him credit :hut:

 

Throwing more punches is easier when you adjust your strategy to throwing them in the center of the ring... That was the crux of the problem for Chavez... hi gameplan was clearly based on getting Martinez into corners and against the ropes and THEN throwing punches... The reason it didn't work was because Chavez lacks the skill to consistently get him to those spots and KEEP him there. It wasn't until the late rounds that Chavez started attempting to throw punches at ring center... and it WORKED

What Chavez likely found out is that Pressure fighting is hard and requires great footwork and an understanding of angles... His father was one of the best in history at it... Chavez is not his father, he doesn't have that talent or those skills. But, when he elected to throw punches in the center of the ring, he found what he had been missing all night- SUCCESS

Also, let's not ignore what a huge jump in class this was for him. He's never been in with anyone this talented or experienced. It's only natural that he'd be nonplussed by it, unsure of what to do.

 

Sturm isn't gonna go to Mexico or America and JCC Superstar Jr. isn't going to Germany, so logically they would fight in Puerto Rico.

 

Junior should learn to jab once in a while.

 

Martinez mention Chavez lack of a jab in 24/7..."look he always hook with the left hand, haven't seen him throw a jab yet"....