MUSIC: the official thread.

Cream-era Eric was pretty damn good...anything after 1973 (circa the Raindow Concert to bring him out of herion-induced retirement) was whe he changed his style, for whatever reason, and he started focussing on his singing.

 

I don't hear it

same old, pentatonic shit over and over and over... a boring drip

 

They started playing about 15-20 years ago, I only started playing last year. Layla isn't all Clapton is about. Have you heard his DVD Sessions for Robert Johnson or LIVE from Hyde Park, there's some great suff on there. You may not be a blues fan though, especially if you didn't care for SRV. I like SRV, Clapton and Bonamassa, I even like Buddy Guy.

 

I only like old blues... I have no interest in the modern variant of it, which is boring and perverse

Clapton is just not great at playing the guitar... never was

 

Even 'I'm So Glad' from 'Goodbye'? :dunno:

 

In fact, if you havent done, check out all of Derek & The Dominoes Live at Fillmore - you can't really complain at Clapton at those performances.
And this results in the fact that on no other live Clapton album will you hear such incredible, unimaginable passages of guitar power and beauty as on this album. What Clapton does on here easily beats out Duane Allman, easily beats out Hendrix, easily beats out anybody when playing the style of guitar - definately on of the my favourite 'guitar solo' albums in the world.

If you happen to be a blues hater, give'Fillmore' a try - and if the raw power, feeling, anger, sorrow, in those solos does not get move you any way, then you and blues are simply incompatible, in which case I can't but feel sorry for you. :dunno:

 

This is ridiculous

I own that album. When I was 14 and still elarning to play, I found that impressive. Now, I find it sleep-inducing.

The British model of blues as a showcase for soloing is mind-numbingly dull and misses the point of the music. If I want to hear someone make soloing over a blues progression interesting or compelling, I would listen to jazz. The fact of the matter is that guys like Clapton don't know enough to avoid simply repeating themselves. How do you play the same shit for nearly 50 years? Where's the growth? There's no evidence the man is any more versatile now than he was in 1966... That's not greatness, it's fucking lifelessness and lack of imagination. I lost interest in playing like that by the time I was 18. I'd already done it, why repeat it? Listen to "Crossroads"... that is fucking garbage... sloppy as shit, Ginger Baker was fucking awful, Jack Bruce doesn't know the first thing about what "the pocket" is and Ginger Baker never provided one in his life and over it is Clapton's generic, repetitive exploration of the same scale in different neck positions, totally boring... and this is obviously MEANT to be a showcase of how "good" they are. It's unlistenable.

I was able to play that shit at 16, why would I find it amazing all these years later? I get no feeling from it, either. It's complete shit as "blues" music. I'll take Elmore James wailing voice and sloppy-simple slide guitar ANY FUCKING DAY OF THE WEEK over the Brit Blues guys and the current crop of clueless white American "Blues Men" they influenced. Like I said before, the Rolling Stones understood blues music in a way that none of their contemporaries did. Nobody played like Peter Green or Eric Clapton in genuine blues music (thank god)

 

You really should check out Eric Clapton Sessions for Robert Johnson. Not all Clapton is "Layla", he can play the old blues too and that's where is real love is and I'm sure you know this. The problem is that people aren't buying CD's these days based on blues music like Robert Johnson and Elmore James used to play. Check out song number 5 on the Eric Clapton LIVE at Hyde Park DVD where he played one of Elmore's songs, It Hurts Me Too, its fucking awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1eLguycGpg

 

I don't belive in him playing the old blues, that's the thing

It's formalism, more than anything

 

Clearly he didn't grow up in Mississippi so he's not going to have the true blues spirit of one of the many blues "Kings" or a Johnson or James, but he still loves the blues very much.

Did you watch his version of Elmore's song?

 

I'm going to either a jazz club/blues bar or cuban salsa bar for my upcoming birthday.

 

Yes, I hated it

 

Very good, Jimmeh

SEE YOU

 

You're a stubborn old fart.

 

You're a convinced old fart

 

Progessive Rock: Yes, Genesis, Emerson Lake & Palmer, King Crimson
(I left out Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd - they ain't 'prog')


Surely, cdogg and Hut are with me on these? ::

 

Yes made one tuneful, enjoyable album ("Fragile") and even that one has a dangerous amount of idiotic lyrics and moments of pointless virtuosity

The rest of the albums are zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wonderful musicians, Steve Howe is a brilliant and unique guitarist, Bill Bruford is one of my personal favorite drummers, a beautifully balanced drummer with sublime skills and rhythm ... but you need songs and they lacked songs badly

Genesis was absolutely awful... There's never been a good Genesis song, no matter who was singing...

ELP is one of the most unlistenable groups in history. They should have been publicly executed for their massacre of Mussorgsky's work

King Crimson? The first few records are preposterously awful... English pretentiousness taken to absurd levels... Knights and Royalty... VOMIT... After that, they got into more truly "prog" territory... the complexities increased as did the musicianship... one thing never changed however, the complete and total inability to write a good song... Sure, good on you, you can play in 7/4... who cares? There's no groove and the song is shit and the lyrics are fucking stupid... "Health food faggot"?

 

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If I were a fascist leader, there would be dead musicians all over the place::

 

'Prog' is the pinnacle of ghey. Stern & thoughtful looking public school tossers playing 9 minute songs about 'listening to the wind' & gnomes. It's the precise opposite of good.

 

everything's relative... I mean, it's preferable to The Jonas Brothers or Britney Spears or Creed... but it is still dreadful

 

It's amazing that you always seem to have listened to the full back catalogue of bands you despise :: Seems kinda masochistic to me, but impressive nevertheless

 

Hut, we must know our enemies as well or better than we know our friends
::

Besides, no one can argue "oh, you just haven't listened"

 

Well it's Wednesday and McDogg is still wrong about Syd Barrett :crafty:

 

If prog was perfomed by ugly, pale, unemployed scumbags...on homemade musical indtruments, with songs going on for no more than 01:55, on such diverse topics about politics and homeless, you'd love it, Hut.

 

I am still RIGHT about Syd Barett

"Ice Cream, 'scuse me, I've seen you looking good the other evening..."

no, just no.

GENIUS!!!!

 

it wouldn't be prog then, would it

 

Lick my catholic sack.

 

:hammert:

 

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