MUSIC: the official thread.

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Made some great records, for sure... "Station To Station", "Low", "Hunky Dory", "Lodger"... some of my faves

 

cdogg, do you like any of thin lizzy's stuff?

 

not really, man... I like the chord progression of "Boys Are Back In Town" and their version of "Whiskey In The Jar" is decent... the "Irish" section of "Roisin Dubh" with the astounding guitar solo by Gary Moore is enjoyable... I even like the production on the "Jailbreak" album which suits their sound ideally, but I just don't dig their songs at all... too much macho posturing and nonsense

"hey, good lookin female, come 'ere" ... I'd ask someone to kick my ass for growling that into a microphone, on principle

The lyrics are often ridiculous... "Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak SOMEWHERE in the town"... how many fucking prisons are there in this one place?

Too fucking corny for me.

 

cdogg doesn't like any rock music from the 70s or 80s...actually, you are just my like brother: he has tons of stuff from this era, but always claims its shit or not good enough.

Just like you have all that great Prog-Rock music....

 

David Bowie. Bit of a Curate's egg for me...I mean, Ive got everything from 'Space Oddity' right up to 'Let's Dance' and here the wheels started to fall off for me. And I still don't get the whole 'Ziggy Stardust' thing either.
I always preferred the 'Station To Station' / 'Low' / 'Heroes' period when he played with real good musicians not the fucking dodgy Spiders From Mars...

 

honestly, I can't see how anyone could claim that there was "all that great prog-rock music..." when the best I can do is produce one album ("Fragile" by Yes) that is undeniably tuneful, purposeful, focused... a GOOD album... the rest of that genre? woeful, hideous, pretentious crap. The North American variant (Kansas, Rush) was even worse. Some of the most awful music ever conceived. How can anyone tolerate Rush? Absolutely mind-numbingly awful singer, most overrated and one-dimensional drummer in history, a horrendous, string-scraping metallurgist on guitar and an endless stream of retarded Libertarian drivel that is deep if you have an IQ of 80 and have never read anything besides Dr. Suess. Kansas was the same thing, with violins and even puffier lyrics. SHIT MUSIC.

Then there is Genesis. Holy fuck. They've never even had a good song, never mind a whole album. I don't want to hear about how good a drummer Phil Collins was, because it doesn't fucking matter. What use is it being a great drummer if you are playing unlistenable garbage? Larry Carlton is one of the most skillful, awesome guitarists that has ever existed. He's done brilliant session work. On his own, he plays the most soul-sucking elevator music imaginable. It's not enough.

What good are Picasso's skills if he was doing Thomas Kinkade paitnings? Same thing applies to your prog heroes. What purpose did Keith Emerson's non-stop piano lessons growing up serve if all he was able to use them for was raping Mussorgsky and wrecking organs while dressed in some space warrior outfit? Fucking GAY

 

Phil Collins is from Hounslow

 

my sympathies to the people of Hounslow for coming from the same place as one of the biggest music industry wankers in history

 

We also have Elvis Costello. He went to my secondary school

 

cdogg ain't been beat three times

 

He just has huge gaps in his musical-creed that I'm helping him with.

 

The huge gap you're talking about is the genre of 'ghey'. :scared2:

 

:nono: territories mapped, studied, charted and declared unsuitable

 

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why on earth Slice would disclose that is beyond me.

 

well, Magus will be happy for the people of that town::

 

Eh? What's happened again? :dunno:

 

Slice shared with us Hounslow's shameful secret... it is the birthplace of Phil Collins

 

Phil Collins.
Vastly underrated drummer...who, had he not stepped up to be Genesis' frontman in 1976 and subsequently fone onto a solo-career moving into total 'cheese', would have been name-checked far more often with contemporaries like Alan White, Bill Bruford, Barriemore Barlow, Carl Palmer...okay...maybe not Carl Palmer...but just check out his work with jazz-fusion outfit, Brand X: his lightening-fast paradiddles switching between hi-hat and snare are pure Billy Cobham.

 

Okay, cdogg, going back a few pages, I'm down to the 2 lists:
1960s
1 - Beggars Banquet
2 - Let It Bleed
3 - Aftermath / Flowers (joint-3rd)
4 - Between The Buttons
5 - Their Satanic Majesties Request

1970s
1 - Sticky Fingers
2 - Exile On Main Street
3 - Black And Blue / Some Girls (dead-heat for 3rd)
4 - Goat's Head Soup
5 - It's Only Rock 'N' Roll

 

yeah, and his artistic vision is pure Doc Severensen

I'll take Bruford over Palmer all day, vastly more tasteful drummer

Phil Collins being a great drummer is irrelevant if all he plays is shit

Brand X is shit jazz music, accomplished background music

I think Collins gets plenty of respect as a drummer, he's just rightfully hated as an artist

 

You have the tops of the lists pretty solid (I'd switch 1 and 2 in the 1970s list)

However, the presence of Majesties is a disgrace on that list... it is the worst thing they did in the decade. A pathetic attempt to fit in to a style that did not suit them at all. An album that only Jagger the businessman could have been the catalyst for. Blatant "Pepper" copy. I would select "December's Children" easily over that record, without hesitation. I'd rank it as easily the worst thing they did by miles during their classic period.

As for the 70s, Exile/Sticky Fingers are about as incredible a pair of records as anyone has ever produced. I love both.

But the idea of Black and Blue being at number 3 is a tribute it doesn't deserve. Some Girls is clearly better. But even Some Girls at 3 means it is, by listing, somehow close to Exile or Sticky Fingers... It seems we need about 50 blank spaces after the #2 in order to adequately depict just how enormous the drop in quality is between those first two albums and the "next best" of the decade. Semantics, obviously, but seeing any of the rets of the 1970s albums in such close proximity to two masterpieces was jarring, to me, even if technically accurate. Sort of like if there was a league where the top two teams were FC Barcelona and Real Madrid and the third place team was Hull City::

 

Firstly, 'Their Satanic Majesties Request': the most underrated album in rock history.
You say 'copy' and people say 'rip-off', I say "Actually, it's not more a rip-off of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' than it is of any other trippy album of the era - like 'Disraeli Gears', for instance, or whatever Jefferson Airplane or The Doors were doing at the moment."
1967 - no-one was expecting anyone to do anything normal back then, everyone was tripping their tits off.
Even The Monkees were tripping (okay...'pretending' to)...and, come to think of it, this record's similarity to 'Sgt Pepper' doesn't really extend much beyond the cover art and the fact that there's a song with a reprise and a 'band-within-a-band' song ('On With The Show'). Actually, I'd say that musically, 'Between The Buttons was much closer to 'Sgt Pepper', with its music-hall atmos. and immaculate collection of pop ditties.
'Their Satanic Majesties' is a truly tripped out album with layers of 'cosmic conscience' - more reminiscent of early Pink Floyd than of The Beatles.

Second, I really don't know why 'Some Girls' is so much praised and 'Black And Blue' so universally despised. Because, to be fair, the latter was a heartfelt, inspired, joyful groove with an experimental and even somewhat uncommercial edge, whereas 'Some Girls', immaculate as it is, is in its essence nothing but an excellently produced piece of pure commercial product.
While Richard was dealing with his drug problems, Jagger took the lead, and nicked ideas off The Ramones and Sex Pistols and... Kool & The Gang. :: and crafted this album. Don't get me wrong, it's certainly brilliant, chockfull of hits and sustaining the level of energy and professionalism even throughout the more obscure songs, but it just don't have that heartfelt feeling I like with this band.
'Commercial' is the word for it: it was obviously made up specially for the public, to show that it was yet too early to write the Stones off as 'dinosaurs' and that they could still find a niche among the younger generation while managing to sound steady, self-assured and definitely non-self-parodic.

 

1) NEIN! Dylan and The Band were basically like "fuck off" and looked back, not forward (producing great music in the process) so it wasn't everyone necessarily
2) That's a pretty ridiculous level of similarity, no? It would be like saying an album "isn't much like Abbey Road except for the fact the band is crossing a street on the cover, the first song is called "Gather in Conjunction" and there is a song cycle on side 2 culminating in a coda called "The Conclusion" and a semi-hidden epilogue track called "His Royal Highness"
3) Simple. The songs were way, way better
4) You've just described a pretty remarkable artistic achievement, no?

 

LOL - why are you trying to pretend Phil Collins isn't great. Even taking away his ability as a drummer, which as Magus has already alluded to is vastly under-appreciated, the guy can write songs.

Cheesy? Sure, but fucking epic. Easy Lover is a tune, In The Air Tonight is a tune, Down In Acapulco (which he co-wrote) is a fucking TUNE. Deep down, you know there's a Phil Collins song that you like, you won't admit it, but you know it's true.

Hounslow legend.

 

I know its true that the man was one of the biggest reasons that the 1980s produced some of the most hideously produced music ever recorded, I know that he writes songs that are appealing to your granny and your hamster. There's nothing to "admit". The man is a menace of bad taste.

 

'The man is a menace' ::

 

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You remember Audley Harrison's ring entrance against David Haye? He came in to In The Air Tonight and tried to delay it as long as possible to coincide with the drums, but he missed it. I'm almost positive he would have won in devastating fashion if he'd timed it right, you could tell it was playing on his mind. That's the power of Phil.