What if Roid was as brave and as world traveled in his prime as he is now?

If he fought anyone and everyone that he strategically chose not to. Would he come off better or worse ? Would he improve his legacy or diminish it ? REETard stay out of this thread, you're a bias faggot with a homo crush on Roid so your opinion means less that fucking nothing.

 

He would have beat the shit out of everyone.

 

FAILED...

....but in the Spirit of BOXING Education, REED'll Play Along...

When did Dela EVER Fight Overseas???...Floyd???...Sugar Shane???....Fernando Vargas???...How Many Times did Sugar Ray Leonard Fight Overseas???...

Here's an Introduction Into the ECONOMICS of Prizefighting - 101...In MOST Cases, if Your Boxing Matches AREN'T Fought And/Or TELEVISED in the United States of America, you're NOT Making Premium Money...That's NOT to Say the Payday SUCKS, but it'd be MORE if War was Waged on AMERICAN Soil...PERIOD...

This has Been the Case for QUITE Some Time...Think of How Many GREAT/IMPORTANT Fights, between NON-American Fighters, that Took Place on American Soil....Sanchez-Gomez, Barrera-Morales Trilogy, Lennox-Klitschko, EVERY Pac-Marquez Bout, EVERY Marquez-Vasquez Fight....

During his PRIME EARNING Years, How Often Did Roberto Duran Fight OUTSIDE of the United States???...How many YEARS has it Been Since Manny Pacquiao Fought Anywhere OTHER than the U.S.????...Noticing a PATTERN Here, Homegirl???...

The POINT is, MARQUEE American Fighters DON'T have to Fight Outside of the U.S & Marquee NON-American Fighters WANT To...NEED To, Even...During the Period of Time You're Foolishly Trying to Diminish, Roy Jones was a MARQUEE American Fighter...He Didn't HAVE to Fight Outside of the States...

Guys like the Klitschko's, Lennox, Prince Naseem, Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe & even YOUR Favorite Polish, Stuttering, Perpetual KO Victim ALL "Got" This...Anybody from Overseas that REALLY Wanted to Fight Roy Jones Back Then, Would've Followed Suit....

As You Were, employee...


REED:hammert:

 

You missed the point completely. I was not suggesting he should have done it. It was by all means his call and I don't blame him for it. I am simply asking if Roid pursued the most difficult fights imaginable (they wouldn't have been the most logical from a business point of view but this is not about that) would he have lost some of them and his legacy would be diminished OR would he have won all of them/ most of them and his legacy would be even bigger.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM ASKING NOW ?

 

Anyone and Everyone? Who do you mean MichalSHITsky?? The guy was garbage....Roy Jones would have treated him as so.....and it wouldn't improved RJ standing in a all time list...

 

Jirov, Buster Douglas, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield , Hopkins rematch (back when it mattered) etc etc...

 

First off, Reed has answered a question which was not asked. In any event, Jones failings as a true "World" Champion cannot be offset by contrasting and comparing his travels with those of other fighters of the same era, especially Fernando Vargas, who is himself simply not aware of the existence of any country other than Mexico.

Ali did a lot of traveling. Very little of it had anything to do with the ban or his political beliefs. He was simply a natural globetrotter. Guy fought in Ireland, in England, in Germany, in Africa, in Asia, in the Caribbean, etc.

Roy would travel to Loozyanna and HBO would be getting worried about the time zones.

Of course, once Roys chin/roids wore off, he had to do what other mere mortals had to do....hit the road and fight fights he might not win.

 

Uuuh, your "Point" ISN'T the Least Bit Difficult to Decipher, employee...Roy Jones was THE Marquee Guy in his Weight Range, for a DECADE....Just about Anybody that GENUINELY WANTED to Fight him, COULD Have Fought Him...

From about '94 to '04, Roy Jones DICTATED Terms for his Fights....What Exactly was the INCENTIVE for Roy to Fight Overseas, Something NO Marquee American Fighter has Done for QUITE Some Time???....

Now that his U.S. Marketability has Literally Been KNOCKED Off of him, Roy's Fighting Overseas...Surprise, Surprise....


REED:hammert:

 

I can't do this. Mods close this thread. This is exactly why I could never work with special needs children.....I just don't have the patience

 

Like it or Not, REED DID Answer the Question, Homegirl...MARQUEE, CONTEMPORARY American Fighters Simply DON'T Fight Overseas Unless they HAVE to...REED's Aforementioned CONTEMPORARY Names SHIT on your Ali Reference, who Plied his Trade What, 25-30 Years PRIOR???...Completely DIFFERENT Era of Prizefighting ENTIRELY...

Has Carl Froch Fought in America???...Kessler???...the Klits???...Hatton???...Arthur Abraham???...Well, MichaSHITski NEVER DID...

Nonetheless, Here YOU Go, Following in behind REED's employee, Trying to Make a Case for Roy's Legacy Being DIMINISHED on the Strength of NOT Facing a Guy that had ZERO INTEREST in Fighting on American Soil...MichalSHITski NEVER Fought in America, yet COUNTLESS Elite Level, NON-American Fighters Did...

THINK about that for a Second???...






REED:mut:

 

Jirov is the only non american on that list and he would have fought Roy in the U.S. as he wasn't a draw anywhere.

 

Jirov has American citizenship

 

LOL.......4 Heavyweights......I remember some talk about Jones vs.Holyfield...when Jones was at 168 in the mid 90's or something....SO yeah let's call JONES a ducker for NOT fighting one of the BEST HEAVYWEIGHT in HISTORY in his prime at a 30-40 pound disadvantage....

When did he duck LEWIS, TYSON? That is so random....can we say then that Trinidad, De La Hoya, Hopkins also ducked those guys?


Hopkins? 60/40

Jirov? Really?...why not bring up Sven Ottke while you at it. Jirov would have been outbox easily...

 

You do know that Pacquiao, Marquez, and Mayweather are ducking Froch, Kessler and Ward....fucking chickens....


MichalSHITsky didn't believe he could beat Roy Jones Jr....that is why that fight was NEVER made...And who can blame him?? Before Tarver came into his life...Jones Jr. look unbeatable....

 

He would be much better off. His legacy would be stronger. And, assuming he won a few fights overseas, he would have been noticeably wealthier.

Instead, he chose to hide behind the usa! usa! usa! crap mentality and his legacy deserves to suffer from it. Wahhhh! I can't go to Germany and make more money because I got robbed in Korea a decade ago! wahhhh!

Roy's career is solid and he has plenty of solid opponents, but the talent transition was well on the way to europe from the usa and despite the failure of apologetic fans to acknowledge it while it was happening, I do think Roy's legacy will be lessened by history. On the other hand, had Roy decided to travel to Germany/Europe and fight Dariusz and perhaps some combination of Benn/Eubank/Maske/Rocchi/Collins, he would have a much stronger claim at being considered p4p#1 of all time. There still would be some Liles/Hopkins2/McClellan holes in his resume, but he would have provided enough proof to fill those holes.

Instead, we are left with roy apologists playing the paper game to prop him up.

 

I think he realized that as well but for him personally, he probably would have made more money if the fight was in Europe. Probably would have got a bigger cut of the Euro PPV and stuff.

 

going to germany would have been foolish. he couldve got fucked like richard hall or roccaghiani

 

And also made less money for the effort.

 

And you sound REALLY unbiased....

 

It's nice to have Mister REED back.

MTF

 

agREED. The forum is a better place when he is actively posting.

 

There was more money to be made in Germany. If there had been more money in the USA, Roy's lick mob would have relied on that excuse rather than the 'Korea!', 'No challenge!', etc excuses that they did.

Rocchi was based out of Germany, Neil. And you know it.

 

For Dariusz i'm sure, don't know about Roy.

 

So you're saying it was foolish by Roccaghiani to go to Germany because he ended up being fucked over by those evil Germans in favor of their lovable Pole DM...I'm not calling you stupid ..I think I'll go with dumb sack of shit instead..has a nicer ring to it

 

Just to clarify, nobody's asking whether or not RJJ should've gone to Germany. So any justifications for his not going are side bars. The question is, if RJJ had gone, advisable or not, would his legacy have improved, been worse, or the same?

I personally think RJJ's legacy in large part is his perceived invincibility. I think this would've been diminished somewhat if he'd fought the Darius's and the Jirov's.

 

It would have been better, legacy-wise, for sure had he fought DM... I would have favored him by miles in such a fight... Jirov would have been helpful, too

The heavyweight stuff was never as important to me, but I was impressed at how easily he outboxed and defeated Ruiz (regardless of the fact that Ruiz was garbage, he was still a beltholder, a top ten heavyweight -it hurts to say that-... and he was far bigger)

Still, DM is the thing people beat him over the head with for years... Hopkins? The built-in weight excuse was there for Hopkins and had he lost, I have no doubt he would have used it... still, hall of fame fighter, it would be a good scalp

Legacy would have been more secure... regardless, he was the P4P guy for quite a while, only fringe lunatics question the guy's credentials... and I hated his guts

 

kohl and universum fucked roccagiani as well as hall. thats the bottom line.

 

NO....

 

I'd say legacy would be even stronger.lhe would have beat the shit out of all these euro bums

 

one of the first sensible post in a thread were emotions are way too present. I don't think anyone can deny that Roy career should have been a lot better than it was, and I used to be a huge RJ fan.

I don't blam him for the Lewis fight, as he was way too big for him, but the jirov and DM non-fight are unacceptable. I understand that he made almost as much money fighting b fighters, but it's not the stuff legend are made of