What if Roid was as brave and as world traveled in his prime as he is now?

Yeah, that was a vicious beatdown. Fight should have been stopped way before it was.

 

It was a domination. It wasn't a 'beating'. As I said, he was landing about 15 punches a round and it's not like they were all loaded shots. Look at Gonzalez' face at the end (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gce6pxgyUiI 53:00), it's nearly unmarked. Absolutely no reason to think he'd be a diminished fighter after that fight.

 

Dariusz Michalczewski had a long list of nobodies in his record. The few recognizable names were Roy's leftovers. Even one of Roy's sons gave Dariusz his first defeat and took his title. Then the next decent boxer he faced KO him and he wisely retired, something that Roy should had done after his second KO loss. At the time I criticized Roy for not fighting Dariusz, but he was right about not going to Germany for peanuts and the risk of a local decision. Roy would had taken Dariusz to school, but I don't know if he would have stopped him in his prime.

 

I think people are sort of missing the point... It would have been better for Jones' legacy to fight and beat DM not because DM had a realistic chance of winning (IMO, he had no chance), but because he was the consensus #2 guy in the world for years... It would have been his most important 175 scalp...

Whether or not it made business sense or whether or not DM had a real chance at winning is/are irrelevant to the question of "Does this make this fighter's resume/legacy better?" ... the answer to that, objectively has to be yes

It is always better for a guy to eliminate the next best guy in his class

 

Exactly.

Very few people would have picked against Roy had the fight came off but it's not the point. DM was the only guy on the planet @ 175 who could make an argument against Roy's 'legitimacy' as the undisputed king. It's not that Jones ducked him, it's that he didn't give a rat's ass about the only guy most fans and the media wanted him to fight. It was like a little wound that he could have poured some antiseptic on. Instead it festered.

 

U're SOPHISTICATED Enough to Know that Facial Damage ISN'T an Absolute Indicator, Brother Hut....How Marked Up was Gonzalez's Face After the Letterlough Bout (Which was UNDENIABLY Taxing) ???...U're Also Overlooking THE FACT that Roy Jones was a COUNTERPUNCHER....He was Also Somewhere in the Area of 44 Wins & Nearly 40KO's, @ the Time of that Bout...

15 LANDED Shots a Round Isn't a Nominal Amount for a COUNTERPUNCHER w/Roy's KO Ratio (@ the Time), Unless U Think he was PITTY PATTING???....



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In a nutshell, yes. You and I know the matchup itself was nothing to write home about, but obviously it's always good for the record books to beat the consensus number 2.

 

The Gonzalez fight wasn't a beating, but the Hall fight absolutely was. Hall took a lot punishment, a lot of flush shots.

 

exactly

 

exactly

 

yeah, the Hall fight was without question a vicious beatdown

 

Dariusz fought and beat Virgil Hill before Roy did. Additionally, I cannot see how Roy would have gotten "Peanuts" for going to Germany....he only got $3m for unifying with the epically brilliant Lou Del Valle, who put him on his ass. Finally, the "decision" can go against you anywhere, not just in Germany.

 

Hall was also beaten down by DM, the difference being that he got off his own punishment in both fights.

 

It's a pretty decent correlate, I'd say. And i'm not saying roy was a pitty patterer but he varied the power of his shots in a way that say Hamed or Donaire, take take other hard hitting counter punchers as an example, didn't. Especially at 175, most Roy's KO's came from demoralization or mercy stoppages based on the shear scale of his dominance. He wasn't laying on Trinidad-Reid or Chavez-Taylor variety beatings. Hall took a bit of shellacking (nothing huge in the scheme of things) but Gonzalez basically took as much punishment as an average 12 round fight to my eyes (blind single punch KDs, apart).

 

Hall took a worse beating from jones jr than Reid did from trinidad or Taylor did from chavez

 

He was dominated allot more. He didnt take a worse beating.

 

Have you seen that fight?

 

He was just getting smacked over and over again by clean, hard shots. He was bravely coming forward, and just getting hammered.

 

Hall took a way worse ass kicking than Gonzalez. Lets get that out the way.

But I'd sure as fuck rather be Hall 10 minutes after his beating than Meldrick Taylor or even David Reid.

 

Have you? A worse beating physically than Meldrick Taylor?

 

Sorry, I still had your 'bit of a shellacking' comment on the mind. He took a vicious beating.

 

Yeah definitely worse than I remember, I admit.

 

Did you just watch it again?

 

Watched the last couple rounds, yeah. I've seen worse, but it was a code orange shellacking.

 

Yeah it's not the worst beating I've seen, but Hall was walking into some REALLY flush shots. I felt sorry for him, put it that way.

 

When Larry Merchant's BEGGING the Ref to Stop a Fight, U KNOW it's an AssWhipping...




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hall was getting beat down from the start. that was one of the most brutal ass whippings ever

 

When a dude's taking shots with literally zero chance of winning the fight it should be stopped but that threshold's passed well before career ruining punishment. Conversely, if Steele had stopped Chavez Taylor 10 seconds before the right hand landed or the ref stopped Pryor-Arguello a minute before the end it would have been a terrible stoppage even though the loser would have been irrevocably diminished even with the premature stoppage.

Hall took a 'shellacking' but 'damn, he'll be shot after this' punishment?' Probably no for me. Definitely no in Gonzalez' case.

 

To Be Fair, Meldrick Taylor Certainly WASN'T "Shot" After the Chavez Fight...


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Brother clog...I know y thought Vinny Paz was going to beat Roy but he got the SHIT beat out of him

DM was a FUCKING GERMAN BUM and should have been working sanitation instead of fighting...