Dana White HATES Randy Couture and will continue to hate him as long as he's alive

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  1. Anthony

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    TRP you got an issue with me, fine. But dont call me a fucking liar. I hate that shit. You want to jump in the middle of this and put your blinders on for what Dana white has done for the sport, by all means. But disagreeing with me on something I am arguably right on is one thing. Completely ignoring ignorant statements by Reed is ridiculous on a whole different level.
     
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    Slow your Roll, SEMANTIC MAN....

    Did REED SAY "Joe Silva is MORE Responsible than Dana White"???...
    A Question was Posed & REED's Answer was "You just ANSWERED your Own Question"....

    That Particular Statement was COMPLETED by the Periods, Homey...REED Then Elaborated On OTHER Responsible Parties....For a Guy that Dots the I's and Crosses the T's like you Insist Upon Doing, it's Surprising that U'd Take LIBERTIES w/Another Man's Words...

    Not 1nce has REED Categorically Said "Joe Silva is MORE Responsible for the Success of UFC than Dana White"...Nice Try Though....




    REED    :boohoo:
     
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    Reed not once have you ever denied saying Silva is more responsible than Dana UNTIL now when Captain Save-a-hoe comes in and says it. TFK and I called you out on it multiple times and you not only never said we were wrong, but you haven cemented your comments with:

    "Why Should Dana Get MORE Credit than the Fertitties, the MARQUEE Fighters or the Guy Actually Making & Negotiating the Fights???"
     
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    Wow, is Reed actually trying to back out of the Joe Silva statement?

    This just went from laughable to downright hilarious.


    TFK
     
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    LOL. Now you're trying to do it with me like you did with Reed. "Put blinders on for what Dana has done for the sport." That's absolute horesehit. I think I made it absolutely clear that Dana has been important in the growth of the sport. I don't need your half ass attempt to paraphrase what I've said. I can express my thoughts far more clearly than you can express my thoughts. Trust me.

    And it was clear to me that Reed was listing other factors responsible for the success of the UFC other than just Dana White. I read TFK's entire post and Reed's entire respone. I didn't just jump on one single line and harp on it for the rest of the thread.

    Oh and lastly, since were talking about putting words in people's mouths, please show me where I called you a liar. Again, I'm pretty good at posting in clear and concise language. I am almost positive I said you "misquoted Reed". That's not even close to calling you a liar. And trust me again, if I thought you were lying, I would have typed 'You are a liar".

    By the way, how come you ignored my question about all the states that Dana got MMA legalized in? Did I miss the list somewhere? I was being serious with that question.
     
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    Post # 95 of THIS VERY THREAD, Typed 5 Fucking Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays Ago...

    The Thing is, REED CLEARLY Noted Joe Silva IN CONJUNCTION WITH the Fertitties AND the Fighters...Somehow, that Small Tidbit has Been LOST on the Conjoined Dana White SHILLS in this Topic...

    Lack of REEDing Comprehension, Apparently...
     
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  7. REEDsART

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    Post # 118....

    As Funny as YOU AND TFK Leaving Out the FIGHTERS???...
     
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    YOUR Response to the Last Quote REED Posted...

    # 119...

    Not at all Reed. But my point is that not for Dana, there would be no fighters to showcase their talents. UFC would not be where it is today for those fighters to showcase their talents.
     
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    Here's the Deal, Anthony....

    For Your SEMANTIC ASS to Sit @ your Laptop & ACCUSE REED of Saying Joe Silva is MORE IMPORTANT than Dana White, You have to ALSO Take OWNERSHIP of Saying Dana White is MORE IMPORTANT than the Fighters...

    Can't Have it Both Ways:nono:....& when this Post Trickles Down to your Ballsack, where TFK is Currently Residing, Relay the Same Message, Por Favor???....




    REED:wack:
     
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  10. Anthony

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    What am i doing to Reed that I am doing to you? In one post you claimed Dana, the fighters, the brothers, etc. should all spread the credit. And in your next post, you believe one deserves more credit than the other. Dont blame me because you not as clear as you think you are. So you think Dana is important to the sport of MMA. Cool. How? See that is what this debate is about. And Mr. Not wanting to get involved decided to get involved, not by participating in the debate, but going after me for some strange reason.

    How can the opposite of what he specifically said be clear to you? TFK asked who is "MORE" responsbile. "MORE" And Reed responded with Joe Silva. And when i brought it up to him more than once, he NEVER denied. In fact, he doubled down on it, as i showed with his quotes. Reading the whole post, does not change what was said. Not one ounce.

    "Surely I missed a post somewhere, because I know you and TFK wouldn't misquote Reed and then call him out for it. Right? Come on man." That is what you wrote. Basically saying that i misquoted him and did it in on purpse. Your "come on man" is basically a reprimand for doing something wrong, which i did not do.



    Because i wasnt talking getting the MMA approved to fight in the states, i was talking about getting the sport mainstreamed and approved by fans in general. Building a brand and audience so that it's accepted. The sport was always looked on as bad and just thugs pounding each other. I also was talking about getting it approved for PPVs and TV. Many cable providers would not show the sport on PPV. Getting the sport mainstreamed and the demand high to see it with crucial.
     
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    Sorry Reed it isnt the case.

    1. You said Silva was more responsible than Dana for the success of the UFC. You said it. You said it. Simple. I have quoted you saying it. This cant be disputed.
    2. I never said Dana more Important than the fighters. I said Dana's vision and drive is responsible for these fighters to have a place to showcase their talents. Because of his work, the sport has grown and
    expanded. Allowing these fighters to be seen by such a wide audience. The fighters prior to Zuffa were all known by a small group of MMA fans. Post Zuffa, they became mega stars. Making mega bucks and have become common names in people's living rooms.
     
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    Again, just curious in what states Dana White got MMA approved?

    I am only posting this to show that I am not misquoting you.

    The average person would interpret the word "Most" to mean 'the greatest quanity or majority'.
    So if we use that definition, and knowing there are 50 states, it would indicate that Dana was responsible for getting MMA approved in 26 or more states.

    "You said it. You said it. Simple. I have quoted you saying it. This cant be disputed. "
     
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  13. Anthony

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    I used Mainstream before it and TV and PPV after it. While it may not be clear and can understand the confusion, i CLARIFIED it and corrected myself. Something Reed has YET to do.
     
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    If REED Said "Joe Silva is MORE RESPONSIBLE for the Success of the UFC than Dana White", then POST it...

    REED's Waiting...



    REED:goodnews:
     
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    TFK asked you who is more responsible other than the Ferttitas for the success of the UFC. You responded with "You just Answered YOUR OWN Question...The Fertitties FUND it, Joe Silva Does the MATCHMAKING & the Fighters"

    TFK responded with "I'm not sure you truly understand what Dana White does."

    You never questioned OUR questioning your Joe Silva comment until TRP mentioned it. All of a sudden a the debate has shifted from Dana white to what you said. How interesting.
     
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  16. Trplsec

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    Quick question for the panel. If Dana White was the President of EliteXC or Affliction or Pride would they have become as big as the UFC is now?
     
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    I would say not as big as the UFC, but on it's way. The UFC has been around longer. He wouldnt spend the money stupidely. He wouldnt have put all his eggs in on Kimbo, he wouldnt have gone on network TV without being ready. He would have built it up slow and smart.

    Dana white is probably the biggest asshole on the planet. But he is not a stupid man. And he understands this sport and it's audience.
     
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  18. TFK

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    This has become ridiculously hilarious. I don't know what's funnier, Reed suddenly trying to back out of his asinine Joe Silva statement once Trp gave him a backdoor, or Reed thinking posting in giant font is accomplishing something other than making him look even more ridiculous.


    I think Anthony summed up this entire debate perfectly in one post....

    That is 100% spot on accurate. And no amount of revisionist semantics, oversized font and juvenile name calling can dispute it.

    TFK
     
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  19. Jesus of montreal

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    I don't think Dana white as much impact on the developement of MMA in genereal. Sure he probably helped a little, but any half decent person in his position would have achieved the same results. Hell, I think coker would have gotten an even better results, and would have made MMA more mainstream if he was in Dana's place.

    For me arguing that MMA wouldn't be popular if it wasn't for Dana is as ridiculous as arguing that people wouldn't be using tablets or smart phone if it wasn't for steve job
     
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    Yep...Pretty Much....



    REED:num:
     
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    Yeah fuck Steve Jobs and his success. Someone else would have done it eventually. LMAO.
     
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    The revisionist part is forgetting that Dana lost $34 over the first 5 or 6 years with the UFC. Yet you and Anthony think he would have been able to be successful with EliteXC despite not having the Fertitta's deep pockets; without having the known talent pool; and without having the UFC's brand recognition. Oh, and he would also have had immediate competition unlike when he jumped into the UFC.

    There is absolutely no way he would have had EliteXC 'on the way' to being as big as the UFC. That's insane, crazy, idol worship or something.
     
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    Where you asking if Dana never went to the UFC and just started in MMA when XC came along or are you talking about Leaving an Already established UFC to go to XC? I was under the impression that your question meant he never went to the UFC and just started with XC. ANd if that is the case, i dont think the UFC would be anything where it is today without Dana and the brothers getting involved. So for that, no competition really. Again, many start up MMA companies, started up because of the success they saw with UFC and wanted to capitalize on it.
     
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    No, I was asking if all of these other failed organizations had Dana at the helm, would they have succeeded in the exact same environment?
     
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    So then why wasn't anybody able to do it before White? And why hasn't anyone done it since?

    TFK
     
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    Here's the bottom line....

    'Anybody' could've created Microsoft in their garage, but Bill Gates is the one that did it, so he gets the credit. 'Anybody' could've massed produced burgers and made a clown their spokesman, but Ray Kroc is the one that did it so he gets the credit. 'Anybody' could've written Stairway to Heaven, but Jimmy Page and Robert Plant are the ones that wrote it, so they get the credit.

    So perhaps 'anybody' could've led the UFC to becoming a global empire, but Dana White is the one who did it, so he gets the credit.

    TFK
     
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    Its a strange quesiton. Basically Dana competing against Dana? Sorry if i am not understanding the question so well. I guess my initial answer stands. Dana would succeed in any MMA organization. He he just had a great Sense of the sport and it's audience.
     
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    100% agree. Anthony and TFK seems to believe White is some kind of once in a lifetime savior. It's as absurd as the sherdog kid who thinks he could have done a better job than White had he been in his position, just the other side of the spectrum.
     
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    This is so obvious it shouldn't even need an anwser.
    Vince McMahon is a tremoundous promoter/CEO, in the same league as White, if not higher. Yet why was his XFL not able to compete with the NFL?? Why is there no hockey league able to compete with the NHL even though it's run terribly ?? Would hockey be dead if Frank Calder hadn't exist ?? Would baseball never took off if not for WIlliam Hulbert ?
     
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    Because McMahon knows wrestling, not football.

    TFK
     
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