David Haye considering taking the mandatory route in order to get a fight with Vitali

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  1. Jimmy

    Jimmy The Greatest of Are Times

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    I'd say he'll have 2-3 more fights if this is true. He could face Johnathon Banks who fought in a WBC semi-final eliminator bout in November. Fury-Cunningham meet next month in an IBF title eliminator for the #2 spot and the winner faces Kubrat Pulev, so they might be out of the question, even though I'd love to see Fury beat up Haye!

    We'll see what happens.
     
  2. StingerKarl

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    Vitali will not back up and hop out of the zone nearly as much as his brother, so David has the proverbial good "Puncher's Chance" against him.
     
  3. loadedgloves

    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Don't think Haye can hurt Vitali. He is much faster, though. He has a better chance against Vitali than he did against Wlad, for sure.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    How old is Vitaly now...? Haye only chance at beating a KLIT was with Wlad...Vitali will KO him inside of 6 rounds.
     
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    Hopefully we will have an opportunity to see.

    The way Vitali walks in with his hands down and chin exposed, he is wide open for a right hand over the jab he brings back low.
     
  6. Hut*Hut

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    Vitali's started looking pretty old lately. If I were him I'd just retire before he ends up losing to somebody he'd have toyed with 5 years ago
     
  7. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    So was Ali. In theory.
     
  8. loadedgloves

    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Vitali KOs by accumulation of his shitty arm punches, he won't land that much on Haye.

    And Hut, seriously, that comparison ...
     
  9. Jimmy

    Jimmy The Greatest of Are Times

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    Vitali is now 41 and has slowed down a bit too. I still give him the advantage over Haye, of course.
     
  10. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    Between an unorthodox heavyweight who kept his hands down, brought his jab back low but used length for defense and rarely got hit &...... yeah I agree stupid comparison.
     
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    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Come on. Would you compare Hatton & Duran coz they were both rough fighters who liked to be on the inside?
     
  12. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    I'd compare an aspect of their style if they did something similarly, sure
     
  13. loadedgloves

    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Vitali hasn't had his failure in technique exploited because he's fighting shitty fat bums who are half his size, Ali didn't have it exploited because he had the speed & head movement to get away with it. I don't think they're really that comparable..
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    The whole point is that both have done much better than they theoretically should have. In 60s experts thought that Ali would lose as soon as he fought a good enough opponent since his style was so risky. The same happened with Vitali (and apparently some still keep hoping). Of course, Ali fought much better opponents but that is besides the point: their approach and style were somewhat similar and both have beaten most of their opposition easily. Nothing suggests that Haye is so much better compared to the rest that he exploits Vitali's style.

    That being said, I see this as nearly 50:50 based on how Vitali has looked in his last couple fights. He has lost the snap of his punches and against that useless Charr he got hit much more than before, so apparently his swift reflexes and commanding left hand are eroding. Haye's movement and quickness of his right hand might spell trouble
     
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    Jimmy The Greatest of Are Times

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    The future of the Heavyweight division?
     
  16. TKO

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    I hope this is true.


    This is exactly what he should have done form the start. Haye is an exciting fighter, I look forward to his return
     
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    Haye is garbage... Few have gotten more mileage out of little more than a big mouth

    The sad thing is that Vitali is WAY past it now, so Haye actually has a chance

    A few years ago he would have beaten Haye into a swollen mess
     
  19. TKO

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    The HW division is garbage. Vitali is finished and should not fight anyone let alone Haye.

    Haye is one of the most exciting HW's around. Take Vitali out of the picture and Haye is the number 2 in the division.
    People dislike the guy and I understand that BUT his return, a proper return fighting his way through the division can only be a positive thing.


    Also he is pretty much the opposite of the current champion and we all know how people love that exciting champion.

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  20. Hut*Hut

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    No idea who is but I can tell just by looking at him - no. Looks like an east end bouncer.
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    As a fighter Haye is pretty much of a copy of the current champion, without the jab and bit less clinching. Haye, like Wlad, waits for his opponent to come in and then counters with the right, that is his whole game. As a person I liked him first as he is a charismatic, quick-witted guy but with all his bitching and not producing makes him very annoying, I wouldn't like to see him as a champ
     
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    He cant deal with height but vs anyone who isnt a super heavy you're guaranteed some drama. He's above average in the excitement department
     
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    Haye looks for the knock out and in doing so he takes more risks than Wlad. Sure both guys like to counter but they are also very different.

    I like Wlad but he is only too happy to jab a guy to death for 12 rounds job done. In his last fight he rocked the guy and took a step back :dunno: Haye is the same position will look for a KO.

    As much as people dislike him. Wlad V Haye was eagerly anticipated by the majority of fans.
     
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    I don't see all that much similarity between Haye & Wlad, tbh. Both tend to rely on distance for defense but thats about as far as it goes.
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    As long as the other guy makes the fight and leads, then I agree Haye becomes very exciting. His bouts against Chisora and Ruiz were cool and I'd like to see him take on Povetkin, Arreola or Adamek. Him facing Chambers could be even more boring than Wlad-Chambers was
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Use distance, avoid getting hit at all costs, never lead, land a booming right hand, never throw to body. Haye moves more whereas Wlad bases everything on the jab and Haye runs whereas Wlad hugs. They are pretty similar
     
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    Thats the point. At this stage I'm not exciting to see Wlad fight anyone. The prospect of Haye fighting these other HW's is the best we are going to get
     
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    By the standards of this division? I suppose

    In general? He's about as exciting as a photograph... His style is horrible
     
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    Haye is allot more like Naz stylistically than Wlad if there's a comparison to make. Wlad has a high, methodical output, can lead or 'return' can move forward if need be - Haye just relies on walking guys onto bombs.
     
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    Against guys who aren't huge (sorry to keep making that qualification in every sentence but its a big one:lol:) he near enough averages a KD or serious wobble in every round. Being an afffletic sort there's zero 'rewatch value' but as live events his fights are usually pretty exciting.
     

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