Trout vs Canelo

Fair's fair, Ginge is better than I thought. I thought Trout would win comfortably.

Trout isn't great, but he is big, solid, and fairly skilled.

I don't like either guy much, but Ginge has pretty good timing and accuracy.

 

I have no problem with that

I thought Trout shaded it, but I could see it either way

 

If he saw things he can explode he will think about it...but Canelo seem to be a bit like Cotto...just younger, fresher, not as ring smart..but very aggressive...I think Floyd pivots away from Canelo.....but to where? There is NOBODY else...unless SHOWTIME creates some other SPEEDy, elusive warrior name BERTO?.....

 

I'm curious why Canelo coasted so much. He did the same thing in the Gomez fight. He's a much better fighter than Gomez as well, it was like he just couldn't be bothered and was bored by Gomez (who couldn't hurt him).

 

Trout was robbed... You guys need to get your eyes checked. Trout sold out saying shit like "the better man won" tho... Def in golden boy's pocket..

 

NOPE..no robbery.

 

I thought Trout would win clearly, but it was a close fight.

 

Some things I like about Canelo off of this (certainly his biggest test) ... He has good, heavy hands... Not a bomber, but he can get those shots in there heavy and sharp... His sense of distance is also quite a bit better than I had previously thought to be the case... He is calm and doesn't waste energy... He was relaxed and confident in his defensive abilities... His jab, when he used it, was very stiff, a power jab and he got it home with authority at times against a southpaw (which is difficult to do) ... I really love that short right uppercut inside... he throws it the way the textbooks say you should, aim for the chest, the guy is either going to move back and take it in the gut or try bend forward to smother it and take it on the jaw, very good stuff... Ruben Olivares said the reason he was a big puncher was because he punched "with my eyes", keep them open, see the openings, hit the openings; Canelo seems to have some of that vision and timing

Some things I don't like... Canelo seems to need to fight in spurts... It is not just that he is methodical and meticulous (both GOOD things) it is that he seems to quickly tire after throwing a few excellent shots; this could hurt him against a guy where he needs to put out more and maybe isn't in such friendly territory... Though, as I said, his punching precision is on the whole very impressive, he does tend to waffle on one punch in particular, his right hand... He is able to use it both as a pin-straight shot and also as a longer-range haymaker... however, he clearly had trouble at times tonight with choosing the wrong option and going wide when straight was better and straight when wide was better... It's a versatile weapon but some work is needed for him to make better decisions on when one right is more preferable to the other... As I observed during the middle of the bout, he has a little bit of the Juan LaPorte/Mike Weaver disease: Let your guy back you up, do a lot of covering up and bobbing while he throws shots and then try to come out of your shell with a bomb; Now, that can work sometimes to spectacular degrees (LaPorte/Lockridge, Weaver/Williams) but it almost never works against smarter guys who are hip to what you are trying to do... It is a bad habit to get into, especially against the best of the best, and Canelo would do well to stop doing it unless he has no other options

Overall, Canelo impressed me tonight for several pockets of time... he has grown considerably as a fighter from the stiff-looking kid I first saw a few years ago

 

Same here, his sense of distance, as well as timing and accuracy is significantly better than I thought.

 

yup... I was impressed with some of the crisp shots he got home on a difficult southpaw, who really fought a smart fight himself, overall

 

The real question is if Canelo is better than Kostya Tszyu.

 

Christodoulo should be labeled a child molester or something slightly lesser than that for his score. I watched it with my dad & I scored it 114-113 for Canelo...with the knockdown being the difference. The old man had Trout, but we both couldn't argue either way.

It's a fight that won't bring new fans because of it's eye appeal, but for us boxing nerds, its nuances made for good fight value. Both fighters never really strayed from the gameplan & made for a decent scrap.

What it really was & was supposed to be had the markings of a great undercard bout. That which it should have been on the punk-ass/Guerrero fight card.

 

Nice scrap. Enjoyed that one. I thought Canelo just barely scraped by with his power. Trout fought his ass off, but just didn't have quite enough in him. Maybe a couple minor adjustments and a bit more body work and he might have a shot in a rematch.

My only thoughts:

Texas boxing politics sucks as usual (sorry REED)

The Coles suck (credit to Lawrence, he stayed out of his own way for once)

Malignaggi did a nice job behind the mic again

I'd like to see a rematch

 

He's fought a lot of 12 round fights by now, but I think he gets winded fairly easily and is trying to conserve his stamina. He's got a solid chin, so doing good body work is obviously key against him.

 

Does Anybody Want to Ask Trout if Canelo Hits HARDER than Cotto???...




REED:shadow:

 

Hut over and over: 'I have a feeling Alvarez might be better than he looks, he seems to have a very good sense of distance and timing, kinda like a very poor man's Monzon'.

 

Why is he a poor man Monzon. Give him the tiime to develop a bit, the guy is a legit world champ at 22, while at this age Monzon was losing to bums. Granted, he probably will not turn to be nearly as good as monzon, but this negativity is annoying

 

Monzon was losing to "bums" who might well have been as good as Trout or Canelo. Monzon was also a much taller, bigger dude.

 

hardly a big insult to add a 'poor mans' qualifier when you're talking about the GOAT middleweight is it? The comparison's just with somebody who's better than they look because of an x factor of timing/distance/instinct/whatever

 

Yeah, whatever. Trout beat Alvarez.

 

While Clearly IN the Discussion, Monzon ISN'T the GOAT @ 160, Bro...




REED:nono:

 

:laughing:Sometimes I wonder my posts are such a neurotic mess of qualifications and sub clauses but then I try to be concise I get two replies like these. Back to my standard 3 parenthesis per paragraph, I think.

OK Monzon was (one of the) GOAT middleweights.

 

Monzon not only is the Greatest Middleweight Of All Time, REED, he's one of the top 5 fighters ever.

Check your PM's.

 

I scored the fight a draw. When I end up with a draw while one of the judges sees it as 118-109, it makes me think I should have stopped watching boxing when Hagler drew with Antuofermo. i just don't get it sometimes.

 

I don't know if Texas has a reputation of iffy decision or not but it should be remembered that fights can look VERY different from TV compared to ringside.

Also, what I like about boxing is that the official result isn't always the decisive one. Everybody remembers Lennox Lewis beat Holyfield in their encounter and Whiatker schooled Chavez so never mind the scores. Also, Derek Chisora got a shot against Vitali when he pasted Robert Helenius, even though the Sauerland judges saved the fight for Helenius

 

Paulie probably put it best...

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Texas is horrible and they're not even subtle about it. Even when they get the decision right the scorecards are often mind-bogglingly bad.

I don't even care if the judges aren't actually from Texas. It's like they all eat bad Mexican food just before they score their bouts.

 

Alvarez clearly won the bout, there is no controversy in this fight.

Now, he didn't win as big as some bought and paid for Sulamain crooked officials said he did, but he won by a couple of points, nonetheless.

I didn't hear one person last night claiming that Trout had been robbed as he was beaten cleanly.

 

I don't remember you comparing him to Monzon ::

But yeah, you were right that Alvarez is better than he looks. He's always looked kinda scrubby to me, a bit lazy in the ring, without much ring IQ.

But in against a quality opponent with a difficult style, it was clear to see his distance/timing/accuracy is very good.

 

To be fair though, I've seen more horrendous judging in MMA recently, in the UFC and TUF house. Absurd decisions given to guys who clearly lost. In boxing it's corruption, in MMA I'm honestly not sure if it's corruption or sheer incompetence.