And this is how you can end up backing yourself into a corner. If it was Manny, not Floyd, who wanted bettter tests originally, there really wouldn't be an issue. But Floyd's a cunt so he was automatically wrong to demand drug testing. Now, to stay consistent, you have to be against fighters demanding stiffer testing in every case. Every advocate for stronger drug testing is in the right here. No matter who it is.
As a side, based on what I know, USADA doesn't have any credibility. Apparently VADA is the legit way to go.
Question..... Looking back at Pacquiao rise...from his 2nd fight with Marquez, brutal ko of David Diaz, domination of DLH, brutal ko of Hatton, dominance over Cotto, Clottey, Margarito,Mosley.....did he had metamorphosis in muscle and mass? Or was it just that he look so much faster and was taking shots from bigger guy that we thought he shouldn't be able to? WHAT MADE us think that he was on PED...? Was it solely Floyds fears...and accusations? OR did we had our doubts before that.... I don't remember Pacquiao getting much bigger from 130/135-147...unlike MARQUEZ he look fragile as fuck at 135 against Baby Bull....then for the 3rd fight vs. Pac, he looked like a buffalo...
That's the same thing I was saying when Floyd started all this BS and I agree with this still. Only problem is this isn't going to change before Manny is in the ring with Rios who has hired a known steroid cheat to be in his camp.
Show me a post from anyone on here saying they thought Manny was on something before Floyd starting in with the accusations. That should answer your question.
It was THE WAY Manny Pac was Winning... After the Condom Match w/Morales, Manny Fought like a DISINTERESTED, PassionLESS Fighter...Solis, Barrera II, Marquez II (a Fight that Pac LOST in REED's Opinion) & David Diaz (a Guy Pac Would've Taken Out in HALF the Time, Normally)...There's NO Bigger Fan of Pacquiao, on this Site, than Mexican Wedding Shirt & Even He NOTICED How Pac Seemed to Just Be Going Through the Motions in that Stretch of Fights... Next Thing you Know, Pac Moves Up 2 weight Classes & Looks More Impressive than he EVER Has, BLOWING AWAY Considerably LARGER Men w/the Greatest of Ease...A Guy is Supposed to LOSE Speed & Power after DRASTICALLY Moving Up...Pacquaio Actually IMPROVED in those Regards... REED:shadow:
Getting a chance of a lifetime to make yourself a superstar is wont to light a fire under a fighters ass.
Ok, so that Explains the (Shot) Dela Beatdown...Now Explain the Hatton & Cotto Massacres???... REED:dunno:
Dedication...motivation....Keeping up with what he did early. He was kinda popular before DLH after he was a SUPERSTAR he ate that shit up and took in the ring with him...for Mosley, Clottey, Margarito he was more civilize and if he was on something he was coming off it....... anyway...DEDICATION and MOTIVATION....Floyd train on it
So "Pac-Mania" is what Enabled Pac to SHRUG OFF Miguel Cotto's Incoming Shots like Superman Does Bullets???...Ricky Hatton (Undefeated @ 140) had a Near Death Experience w/a Guy who was Fighting @ 130 just 1 YEAR Prior, but YOU Chalk that Up to "Excitement"???... Got It... REED
Yep... Even MWS, who's OPENLY BIASED for Pacquiao, Acknowledges the POSSIBILITY of Pac Juicing...But Cats like Z (& Apparently Brother Hut as Well) Turn their Heads the Moment Pac Inserts the Needle in his Ass... REED:mj:
I never said he was clean, I said I don't know and you don't either. You on the other hand are acting as if there is some proof out there. Show me the proof and I'll call him a juicer just like I do with everyone else who's been caught. There is more proof that Floyd is the juicer than there is Pac. Still, he hasn't been caught publicly so you don't see me running around the site calling him a cheat.
REED Certainly has his BIASES, but NATHAN Illustrates REED's Objectivity Quite like the Floyd-Pac Scenario Does... 1st & Foremost, REED Fully Believes Manny Pacquiao was Juicing from the Moment he Decided to Move from 135 Up to 147, to Face Dela...The Hatton & Cotto Bouts only EMPHASIZED that Belief in REED's Mind...Pac's Run was UNPRECEDENTED in Boxing History & When You See Something U've NEVER Seen Before, Rightfully, you QUESTION the Legitimacy of It... But Having Said All that, REED STILL Assesses @ Least 75% of the Blame to Floyd, for Floyd-Pac NOT Happening...REED Thinks Floyd Should've just FOUGHT Pac Anyways, PED's or Not...Floyd Saw Pac vs. Dela, Hatton & Cotto & Got SPOOKED...He DEMANDED Random Testing, but Since Pac had Found the FOUNTAIN Of YOUTH (& SPEED & POWER), he WASN'T about to Fight Floyd w/Out It.... That's Why the "Biggest Fight EVER" NEVER Happened... REED:boohoo:
REED, you're not questioning anything, you're making staright up accusations and claiming them as fact. Big difference.
all these strength coaches/track coaches are crooked. darryl hudson had mosley and wright on PEDs. maazan ali had vargas on PEDs. these guys are all cutting edge and know how to beat tests. that is why they get hired.
Based on LOGIC & Boxing History, it's Safe to Say that AT WORST, Manny Pacquiao PROBABLY Cheated, Bro...Can You @ Least Acknowledge THAT???... REED:dancingBaby:
I can't see how PED's would give him back that lost INTEREST? You describe a guy who was done with the game, hadn't the heart or the interest. I could be wrong but I dont think PEDS is the answer to that particular problem.
I hear ya but Manny could say no to the fight. Less drugs in the sports is a good thing but it must come from the top
Agreed but these guys want stronger drug tests in certain fights. No pat on the back from me on this one
Based on REASONABLE DOUBT... As Recent as 2003, Manny Pac was 122lbs...5 Years Later, he's BLOWING AWAY Welters & Jr. Welters in a Manner in Which they've NEVER Been Dismantled???...& Pac was Doing this WITHOUT SETTLING IN @ those Weights 1st...He Moved Up DRASTICALLY & IMMEDIATELY Destroyed Guys UNLIKE they'd Ever Been Done Previously... Dela Fought EVERYBODY...Cotto Fought just about EVERYBODY...& Even Hatton Fought his Fair Share of LEGIT Opponents...Yet & Still Lil' Ol' Manny Pacquiao Beat them MORE Impressively than Anyone Else???... REED:dunno:
It sparked the conversation. It opened the door for fighters like Berto to get pinched. Drug testing reform isn't coming unless the top fighters demand it. The guys at the top don't give a fuck.
Pac Fought w/Less FEROCITY, which was the Main Point MWS Used, when Speaking of Manny's Lack of Passion...PED's Can Most Certainly Bring Back Lost FEROCITY... REED:dancingBaby:
