I think Jon Jones is a great fighter BUT

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    Sure, but as Jones "Approaches 30", his Body will Naturally Take him To Another Weight Class...

    From What REED has Read, Jones has Discussed Taking an Anderson SilvaESQUE Route to Heavyweight...Fighting a Couple Lower Level Guys 1st, to Test the Waters, as Silva has Done @ Light Heavy...REED Wouldn't Expect Jones to Campaign EXCLUSIVELY @ Heavyweight Until around 2015, when he'll Be 27-28 Years Old...




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    I think Forrest should be at Heavyweight. His weight cuts are dificult for him. Rampage and Silva at their walk around weight are fat. And look out of shape. At 235 jones looks sick. Abs and everything.

    And as for Jones' weight issues here is saying how it was difficult to cut weight.

    "I definitely have goals to compete at heavyweight and obviously go for the championship," Jones said in the chat last Saturday evening. "But it's a ways away. Right now I'm cutting weight more efficiently, trying to eat smarter and do things better and the weight cuts are getting easier so, heavyweight might be a ways away."
     
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    "When I move up to heavyweight I definitely won't be trying to hang on to two belts at the same time," he said. "I'll be focused, you know, strictly on heavyweight."
     
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    Where Does he Say it was DIFFICULT Cutting Weight???...



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    Weight cuts aren't fun. Shocking news.
     
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    "I definitely have goals to compete at heavyweight and obviously go for the championship," Jones said in the chat last Saturday evening. "But it's a ways away. Right now I'm cutting weight more efficiently, trying to eat smarter and do things better and the weight cuts are getting easier so, heavyweight might be a ways away."
     
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    REED Isn't the Greatest Speller in the World, but he's Pretty Sure he DOESN'T See the Word "Difficult" in that Quote. Not even in the Portion your were Kind Enough to Highlight & Underline in Red....

    Fuuuurthermore, YOU'RE Overlooking where Jones TWICE Refers to a Move Up to Heavy as "A Ways Away"...




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    Exactly what I was going to say. Cutting weight is a hassle for 99% of fighters, that's just the nature of cutting weight.
     
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    You're right Reed. He didn't say it was difficult. He just changed his eating, and doing things better to make things easier because it wasn't difficult. My bad. :scratcher:

    As far as saying going up in heavy is a ways away, that is what he says in this interview where he now says making weight is easier. In an October 2012 article, he says he will likely move up to heavyweight at the end of 2013.

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/10/31/3583596/ufc-jon-jones-shead-to-heavyweight-in-2013-mma-news
     
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    No doubt. But what im saying and what you guys seems to be deliberately ignoring is that at Jon Jones' walk around weight, he still looks in shape. Unlike other fighters who kill themselves to make weight, he doesnt look fat, bloated or out of shape. The man is still cut and actually showing abs.
     
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    Depends what you mean by "difficult". For example, it's difficult to run a marathon without proper training, but if you train for a couple of months, you can do it with no problem. Problem + Remedy = Succes. He's not implying that he was weight-drained. He said that his method of cutting weight was not effective, so he had to modify some things to cut weight properly and effectively. All fighters have to cut weight.
     
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    Well it's interesting that in the 2012 interview he said he will move up to heavyweight by the end of 2013. But in the interview you posted, he claims the weight cut is now "Easier" and he is "eating smart" and "cutting weight more efficiently" and "doing things better". And now all of a sudden the move up to heavyweight is a long way away.

    I can only gather from that is in late 2012, jones was having dificulties cutting weight and felt a move to heavyweight no other option and now they are easier and he can stay at 205 longer.
     
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    Precisely...

    Saying Something is "Easier" DOESN'T Necessarily Imply that it was Previously "Difficult"...If REED Says "Jon Jones Beat Chael Sonnen EASIER than he Beat Shogun Rua", that DOESN'T Mean EITHER Fight was "Difficult" for Jones...




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    That's a hell of an assumption.


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    What would be your opinion as to why in October of 2012 Jones said he plans to move to heavyweight by the end of 2013. But in an interview recently, where he spoke about it being easier to cut weight now, will not be a heavyweight for a long time?

    What would you come away with after reading that?
     
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    My assumption would be that he knows he's still young, but as he gets older, he knows eventually 205 won't be his 'proper' fighting weight anymore, and a move to heavyweight will probably happen.

    I saw nothing to make me think he is currently having any difficulty making 205, and haven't seen nor heard a single report anywhere saying just that.


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    Maybe he didnt envision the Henderson cancellation and Sonnen campaign or Guffstason or Teixeira or Moussasi.

    Maybe he thought there would be nothing left at 205 after 2012.

    All I know is I've never read anywhere that Jones had problems making weight.

    By the way, regarding physique, GSP walks around at 190-195 and is absolutely ripped, yet 170 is absolutely his proper weight.
     
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    Im sorry, but why did he mention the end of 2013? And he himself said he changed his weight cutting regimine to make it easier.
     
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    You're one hologram quote from turning into Petre.


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    Impossible my friend. He said in October he wanted to go to heavyweight by the end of 2013 and he said that he changed his weight cutting to make it easier. These are all facts.
     
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    They may be facts, but to connect that to Jones having some sort of problem making 205 is silly.

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    It's not silly. It's actually a valid reason for the change in the time table. It may be wrong, it may be right. But it's not a silly reason. The only thing that has changed from October to now is that he is improved his weight cutting procedures. It's not like new opponents have popped up. The division is pretty much cleaned out.
     
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    But you're assuming making something easier was the result of it being hard.

    It would be easier for me to cut my grass with a riding lawnmower, but cutting it with a push mower isn't hard at all.

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    I would say your theory is more of a stretch than mine. I would say the fact that in October of 2012 he was mentioning that in one year he will move to heavyweight. And now he is claiming it's far away means something has changed. And the only thing he listed in the change the department is he is making weight much easier. The quote "cutting weight more efficiently" and "trying to eat smarter" stand out to me. Obviously he wasnt eating properly enough to have an efficient weight cut, hence the change. Now things are "easier" and now he wants to stay at 205. Again, no new opponents emerged since then, so it's not like he has shit left to accomplish in this division.

    I think we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.
     
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    Glover Texiera and Alexander Gustafson would disagree with that statement.

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    Bottom line is Jones looks absolutely fine at weigh ins. There are no apparent problems making weight, and he plans to carry on fighting in this division for a while it seems. Therefore while he's in his prime years, it's absolutely his "proper weight".

    You can tell when someone is not fighting at their proper weight, as they look like absolute shit in weigh ins, like Rios recently, and look lethargic and crap in the fight too.
     
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    Am I the only one that thinks Henderson still deserves a shot? I know he has the fight with Evans now, but the Machida bout did nothing to diminish Henderson's ranking.

    If Hendo beats Evans, he absolutely deserves a fight with Jones.

    Not to mention that Moussasi is still out there and another dominant win and he's in line.
     
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    Glover's last fight in January and nobody was impressed. Gustafson's last fight was in December. He is injured and he is no threat currently IMO.
     
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    Henderson should get a fight if he beats Evans, but he would have to go through Machida again. Mousassi
    wants no part of Jon Jones.

    "I believe if I go to 185 I'll be much stronger," Mousasi said. "At the highest level, you don't want to give any advantage. If you look at Jon Jones, you don't want to fight a guy that's very talented, has the skills, and also has the strength. Then you give too much advantage away."
     
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    Gustafsson isn't injured. He got cut in training before the Moussasi fight. Gustafson is fine and is calling for Jones. He's ready now but Jones isn't.
     

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