Broner-Paulie R-b-R

Broner.

 

And Khan's the one to prove your theory right ::

 

BRONY 2013

 

Zab didn't freeze. Zab's washed up and can't pull the trigger like he used to.

Prime Judah would have wrecked Khan and you know it.

 

I'd like to see this one either way. I think it'd be a highly competitive fight. Crawford most definitely poses problems for Broner, but at the same time, we have yet to see Crawford face anyone remotely close to as good as Broner. The sloth bum known as Prescott doesn't count.

Still, Crawford-Broner is a helluva matchup, and I wouldn't put it past Crawford winning.

 

jones jr suggested crawford as a foe for broner saying it would be a good fight. too bad it wont happen

 

Though I disslike Broners antics outside the ring. We also have to take into consideration that he jumped up 2 weight classes. Perhaps that could be a reason why he didn't expend more energy. I mean if it was easy to jump up 2 weight classes without having any adjustments to the weight everyone would be doing it. Yea he didn't do what we had thought he should have done but he gotta get some credit for moving up the way he did. I'll Holla 5000

 

mosley struggled more with rivera than broner did with malignaggi

 

Yes.....I've just figured it out....Neil was sold thousands of shares in "Bazillion Broner PLC", printed on toilet paper. Now he is merely defending his investment.

 

Absolutely, I think he still could today if his head was screwed on straight. He did freeze a bit, it was obvious to see, and he didn't have the courage to walk through Khan's stupid flurries enough to land his own shots.

 

I do agree with Neil that this "struggle" thing is being overstated.

To me, a "struggle" is when a win actually seems in doubt.

At NO point during the fight did I ever doubt for a second that Broner would win. Even during the first few rounds when Paulie was doing most the punching, and Broner was just walking to him, shaking his head, and smiling. I knew that once Broner let his hands go, Paulie wouldn't be able to keep up.

From the mid rounds on, it was clear as a day that Broner was gonna win. The only question was would he stop Paulie or win by decision.

I think Broner's own cockiness prevented him from getting a stoppage. He usually invests in a sound body attack. Had he done that to Paulie from the early rounds, I think Paulie woulda been ready to go late. Instead, Broner was TOTALLY caught up in the trash talk, and just wanted to pot shot and talk shit rather than do work.

Either way, I wouldn't say he struggled at all. Paulie gave him a better fight than any of us expected, but he didn't push Broner to the limit or anything. People will look back in years to come and see the SD and assume that it was a close fight, but really it wasn't. Broner won clear as day.

 

Rivera is a better fighter than Paulie, a much better fighter and everyone struggled with him except for DLH

 

He struggled with Paulie's activity and movement, and lost 4 rounds. A struggle doesn't mean the win is in doubt, it means just that - a struggle - and this was one of them.

 

8-4 isn't a struggle to me. It's a competitive, but clear.

Floyd STRUGGLED with Castillo in the first fight. Lennox Lewis STRUGGLED with Ray Mercer. Bradley STRUGGLED with Provo.

Paulie didn't make Broner struggle. He gave him a good fight, but lost clearly in the end.

 

Rivera is bigger and better than Paulie, and Shane struggled less. Emphatic KO win, not a pathetic SD over a feather duster.

 

Well I think you're really mistaking what struggle means. You just listed 2 classic examples of disputed decisions. Floyd and Lewis didn't just struggle, they arguably lost those fights.

A struggle is more Erik Morales against In Jin Chi. A tough fight, competitive fight, but a clear win.

 

Prime Shane was several light years better than Broner and would have blasted Paulie away in under 6.

That much I'll admit.

 

Morales arguably lost the Chi fight from what I remember. Granted, I havent watched that fight in years, but I DO remember Morales struggling far more against Chi than Broner struggled against Paulie.

 

Yeah can you imagine, prime Shane would have walked through Paulie like he was nothing, and power boxed the shit out of him. Paulie is not even hard to hit.

 

I was going to say that. But I thought Captain Obvious had a post already in this thread to the effect of "Wilfredo Rivera was a better welterweight than Paulie Malignaggi" or words to that effect.

Rivera put Vargas on his ass. He was stopped on a cut by Oscar. He was seconds from going the distance with Shane. At some point we have to suppose that Oscar, Shane, Vargas are better than N'Dou, Diaz, and, uh, the other big wins on Paulies record. Paulie was losing to guys that probably would have lost to the caliber of guys Rivera was losing to. I mean, Roy Jones moved up to Heavyweight and handled Ruiz better than Foster did Frazier or Ali. I guess Roy was better than Foster. Maybe he was...but beating John Ruiz won't be the determining factor.

THe bottom line is, in boxing, you need some power. You are not always going to be the absolute master boxer all the time. Paulie isn't even a muscular, strong guy. People mocked Calzaghes power but he was a strong SOB who could wressel with guys like Bika or Lacy. Paulie doesn't have the buff to go with his powderpuff. Once you get in a hole in a fight, you need something to tunnel your way back out with and Paulie doesn't have it. And hes not the master boxer either, so he's always on the edge of losing, no matter what.

 

I thought it was the same type of fight, 8 to 4, where Chi did better than anyone expected and therefore perhaps got a bit more credit than he deserved. He didn't come close to winning, he just roughed Morales up a bit, and used his head etc.

 

Using this fight as a measuring stick against the performances of Cotto and Hatton tells me Broner's got a long way to go before being the next Roger Mayweather, never mind Floyd

 

Prime Mosley right now would absolutely clean house from 140-154. The current, faded version of Floyd would get fucked up by a young Mosley.

And a young Mosley would execute Broner, and beat every last freckle off Canelo.

 

That generation of Oscar, Loaded Tito, Quartey, Whittaker {old}, Rivera, Mozley, Vargas, Oba Carr and others was fucking light years ahead of what it would ultimately become. 1n 1998, it was loaded with potential which ultimately fizzled out in the form of a shitty superfight and some sporadic, disjointed quality like Oscar-Quartey at one end and Oscar-Floyd at the other. The point remains that periods fighters were the quality and a cut above what represents the division today.

 

Just as well we don't have any tall, old, unassuming guys from Georgia knocking around today ::

 

hard to argue against that

 

:: he cannot even match that old degenerate fool in the smack talk sweepstakes never mind fistically.

 

And that's exactly my point. There's no Vernon Forrest's around at the moment.

Could imagine midgets like Bradley and Broner trying to cope with a young Mosley?

 

Broner's performance against Paulie doesn't compare to how well Cotto/Hatton/Khan did, even though stylistically they're all different. But yeah, if Broner's going to be considered the next best thing in boxing (even though he won), he should have disposed of Paulie emphatically. But a case could be made for Broner that he did jump up two weight divisions, so he may need time to adjust and become comfortable at the weight.

 

I would buy the weight thing more if A) he wasn't already boiling down to make weight in those lower divisions and B) he wasn't clearly bigger than Malignaggi

To look at the two of them, Malignaggi looked like the guy moving up two divisions