If Hamed Had Stayed Active Until 2005 On A HBO Contract.........

..............how many more times would his useless little punk ass have been beaten???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcD-WVZpyQ

 

Did you see the Calvo fight? Naz was done. Oscar Suarez :atu:

 

Suarez got the gig....wait for it....because he trained Omar Sheika, who was a member of the Ummah, so you tell me.

The clip I linked ....in it, they say that Tapia and Marquez were ducking Hamed.

ON a HBO Contract, I see Hamed crossing paths with Morales, Marquez, and ultimately Pacman in or around 126-130.

 

My take has always been that 95-98 Naz gives these guys a fight. 01- onward, they all kick his little cunt in. Well, maybe not Tapia, but MAB, Morales, JMM & PAc all splatter him

 

Hamed was never an elite fighter. Barrera always would have battered him, let alone Morales and Pacuwao.

 

Well maybe. But he was still better in his earlier years than he was by the time Oscar & Manny had had their dzirty way with him for 3 years.

 

Maybe, but at his core he was always the same absurd fighter, with massive lack of fundamentals, whose style was just begging to be exposed at the highest level.

Lo and behold, the first prime world class fighter he faced did just that.

 

yeah but that's slightly qualified by the fact Augie Sanchez and Manny the spanish waiter had him looking just as shit. He was a hype job....but he also declined. Hamed vs somebody good in 97 is a fight I'd love to see, it'd at least be fun.

 

He was one of the best featherweight punchers ever

Morales was an intensely stupid fighter when pissed off, he might well have walked right into something against a prime Hamed

Barerra fought BETTER when angry, became more focused... He likely always beats him

Marquez would have to survive the early going, because Hamed WOULD hit him at his best...

Don't think he would have dealt very well with Pacquaio unless he could catch him with some crazy shots, which is possible

I hated Hamed as much as anyone but he was an extremely dangerous guy at his best

To answer the specific poll question, I don't think he ever even gets a fight with one of those guys because he probably would have wound up losing some upset decision to a journeyman... He was a lazy bum and the Barerra fight ruined his confidence and aura

 

Hamed was what you say he was, in every respect, a dangerman who lacked dedication and relied on aura and confidence. Dent that aura, make him question himself, and you were half way home.

In many regards his physical stats were shockingly bare. Sure, he had unorthodoxy, bags of power, and excellent handspeed, but he was short, was forced to leap in, lacked reach and brawn.

He had a hint of the Broners about him.....same with David Haye...he was an enormously self-conscious fighter, bordering on insecure. He didn't mind being hit, he didn't mind being hurt....he minded you knowing about it and getting fun out of it. That's what all the smirking and leering was about during the Barrera fight.

I really think he lucked out with his timing, career-wise. He landed either side of Fenech-Pedroza-Nelson era on one hand and Barrera/Morales/Pac/JMM era on the other. He was just the right side of Floyd and Shane, weightwise, when they were doing the rounds down at 130/135. Incredibly, he was billed as the best fighter in the division AFTER Morales had beaten Barrera in their first fight.

His best domestic opponents? Paul Ingle and Steve Robinson.

 

In fairness, I never saw the guy really hurt... His knockdowns had more to do with clumsy technique than anything else... He never looked wobbled to me

 

Yeah but he could be hit, and the flipside of it was that, as a boxer, if you had any brains, you could make Hamed pay for being so clumsy. Hamed never got many telling power shots off versus Barrera because he was off balance, in retreat, or being made to miss.

 

True, but Barrera made it look easier than it actually was... An irritated Barrera was the best Barrera... An irritated Morales was the worst Morales

Marquez has been touched up and pushed by guys who couldn't carry Hamed's jock... He would need to fight a damned-near perfect fight

The frenetic pace of Pac plus his being lefthanded would trouble him a lot, I think, and he would have to respect Pac's power which was vicious at the lower weights, he was a bomber... Pac beats him, I think

 

BS, pre-Junior Jones Barrera vs the Hamed who destroyed Bungu (just a year before he fought Barrera) would get KTFO by Hamed. Morales & Pac would've traded with him, those would've been massively entertaining fights.

Marquez would've schooled him 10/10 times, just a terrible style for Hamed to face. He would've fought like Barrera, but he was 10000x better at it than MAB.

 

Watching some vids. Man, Suarez really made an unholy mess of Hamed with the lowered hands and exaggerated karate style side on positioning and flicking back hand jab. Car crash.

 

very very true & the ONLY reason (imo) Barrera got the better of Morales in the 3rd fight

Marquez has an incredible chin & awesome recuperative powers, he might get nailed but Naz wasn't a relentless whirlwind like Pac.. he picked his shots. Aside from Naz's utter disinterest in the sport by that point, that imo is why Pac could take Barrera & Naz couldn't.

 

If these fights took place in '97:

Hamed-Barrera: Much more competitive fight, not saying Naz would have won but it definitely wouldn't be the one-sided fight we saw in 2001. Hamed was DONE by the time they actually fought, if you check out the "Little Prince, Big Fight" documentary you will clearly see the decline. The sparring footage against some bum midgets was cringeworthy. If anybody had seen the footage prior to the fight no one would have bet a penny on Naz winning.

Hamed-Morales: Big chance of Naz catching Morales with a huge shot and taking him out. I think Morales would get suckered in to a fatal exchange at some point.

Hamed-Marquez: Naz could take him out early but if he doesn't KEEP JMM down, he's fucked.

Hamed-Pacquiao: Pac would pummel Naz, just a better fighter and horrible style match-up. I'd pick Pacquiao 100 times out of 100.

 

No fucking way ::

He only looked good Vs Bungu because Vuyani was the perfect opponent for him, old and small and vulnerable and scared.

The fact that it was only a YEAR before he fought MAB really puts it into perspective, the whole "he was shot against MAB" bullshit.

He was the same damn fighter, the same one everyone was impressed with destroying a hopeless little guy like Bungu. Barrera would have schooled him in exactly the same way.

 

hamed was allergic to the desert ( :: ) so him training with steward at prince ranch resort in las vegas was the real reason he looked like shit vs barrera.

 

Pre-Junior Jones Barrera was a straight up brawler, it wasn't until Jones rocked his world that he switched up to his safety-first "let me be the only stinky Mexican fighter in the world" jab-guard-look-for-counters style. He was good at it, and he reverted to it when he could get away with it, but he wouldn't have been able to get away with it against Naz (who was light years better than Junior Jones). Morales, for all his attributes, was never a one-punch KO artist.

 

I'm going to qualify my posts by saying that as a huge fan of both Erik Morales & Hamed, I probably hate Barrera more than anyone else on this website.

 

Brother Mex, I'm afraid i'm going to have to PUT MY FOOT DOWN on this one. The foot.....it's coming...it's coming DOWN! He wasn't the same fighter dude, his whole style had become a silly parody of itself.

I wouldn't pick him over Morales, Pac or JMM at any point, but he wasn't the same fighter. His hand positioning and angling were changed and he was just flat out shittier towards the end of his career than he was when he fought Kelly & Johnson. He was still a mess technically against those guys but quite a bit more threatening and dangerous with it with the higher hands and without the stupid comedy-karate stance.

 

Marquez DOES NOT HAVE an incredible chin... he gets hurt all the fucking time! He has great recuperative powers for sure... but hurting him is not particulary difficult... Juan Diaz had him on queer street

 

Morales was a dumb motherfucker... He would have tried to brawl and Hamed would have laid some bombs on him

 

I guess that's a good point.. though as far as that particular example goes, Juan Diaz is a lot bigger than him

 

How do you think he was THAT different in the space of a year Hut, I mean really. He looked like the same damn fighter to me, just against a vastly superior opponent. When did Suarez even come on board?

BTW I'm not being stubborn for the sake of it, or exaggerating like with my Tszyu hating, and these days I don't even feel like I hate Hamed (at least he was amusing) - I just think he is one of the most overrated, overhyped fighters in boxing history, and was never in the same class as Morales or Barrera or Pacquiao or Marquez.

 

Morales was made out of rock though, he would have come through it

 

Erik Morales eats bombs for breakfast ...

 

Chin of rock, balls of steel, heart of a lion. He would have fucked Hamed up something fierce, so much so I think Hamed would have basically gone into a shell, in survival mode.

 

... he dips them in a mixture of Chuck Norris' blood & tears.