Biggest EUROPEAN Threat to a PRIME Roy Jones???...

Remarkable.

"Calzaghe can't punch"

{drops and stops Mitchell immediately after coming off the mat from the sort of punch that stopped Jones in 2004}

"Mitchell is shite".

:wack: :shit:

At the very least, both sides of the discussion could do with injecting some modicum of balance into their arguments.

 

Mitchell is shite though.

 

Merqi Sosa was a young lion and STRONG!!!!

 

Roy Jones had very little answer to anything once his reflexes went. He was superb in a very narrow spectrum of methods and ways, and once he lost the ability to perform thus, the remainder of his game went with it. I don't think Calzaghe could win one round out of 5 against Jones but I do believe that Carl Thompson would have walked down and destroyed Jones at 190. To beat Jones, that Jones, you simply had to have a particular style. Its not a question of power or speed or talent or balls or resume or any of this nonsense, its a simple question of style. Hell, with a 24 hour weigh in thing, Rocky Marciano could have made 175 and put an almighty hurting on Roy. Because Rocky was braver, harder, smarter, faster, fought better bums etc? No. Styles. Billy Conn would have gotten to Jones.

Heart, chin, balls, a bit of a punch, above-average movement and the desire to hunt the guy down and the will to take three to land one. The ability to walk in and walk down, block as much as possible, get in close and let shots go to the arms, belly, head, chest whatever was there.

None of the dewds mentioned by Reed have enough to fewd with Jones {which is why Reed mentioned them} but its a moot point. None of them had the style in any case. Nigel Benn might have had it, but he was too smallish and too hittable. Collins had the right idea but probably was too underpowered and early Collins liked himself as a shifty sort.

Guys who are prepared to walk through fire and knock the smile off Jones face are the guys who can get it done. I always liked Carl Thompsons chances because he always refused to quit, and always showed the desire to absorb hell without every deviating from his own method. At the age of 40/41 he was prepared to do it versus David Haye. Thats crucial. Jones liked to get guys out of their groove by clowning them, a la that David Telesco bum. By the end of that fight Telesco was gurning and asking Jones questions like..."Have you ever been to jail". :shit: That won't work. You have to monotonously and relentlessly impose yourself.


Needless to say, guys like Richard Frazier and Harmon and Bryant Brannon were not the man for the job.

 

Yeah maybe now.

 

merqui sosa was a tough hombre and jones blew him out. mitchell was a don king created bum who beat exactly zero good fighters. he won his belt from some frog faggot and defended against horse shit

 

No I think he lost the belt to the after the came to 'Murica and got a draw. It was Frankie Liles he beat for the title.

Sosa was Soso after those brutal fights early in his career.

 

i stand corrected, mitchell actually beat one legitimate fighter. albeit one who was cryogenically frozen in don kings vault for several years facing calzaghe caliber of opposition, and who was dominating mitchell for the entire fight.

liles was a guy who actually proved he could hang with a young roy jones jr.

 

If the UK counts, Lennox Lewis (actually he'd be favored)

 

Michell is shit but if even he could have defended his belt against
Antoine Byrd, Tony Thorton, Antoine Byrd, Eric Lucas, and a Dehydrated light heavyweight in Merqui Sosa, and a lightweight in roids in Vinny Paz

so you can't knock Calzaghe for beating someone superior to all that garbage above

 

Yup.

 

Id have taken sosa, thornton, brannon and lucas to defeat sorry ass mitchell

 

I'd take Roy over Lummox.

Lummox would be terrified of his small size and incredible handspeed, spend the fight cowering behind his pathetic pawing jab, and get outpointed.

 

Mitchell was garbage... absolute garbage

You are tossing Lou Del Valle out there... guy was like Harold Johnson compared to trash like Byron Mitchell

Anybody who thinks Calzaghe is competitive with a prime Jones Jr. doesn't know boxing at all and is engaging in wishful thinking

 

LOL

 

If Mitchell was garbage then so were Roy Jones' title defenses....we are talking the toxic waste that seeps from the garbage

I guess Manny Steward doesn't know boxing since he thinks Calzaghe would have given him trouble. LOL

 

LOLOLOLOLOL

Manny Steward thought lots of things, many of them were false... This is no different

Mitchell was a lesser fighter than Keith Holmes or William Joppy

 

Yes I know....everyone here knows more then Manny

 

He also said Mayweather/Guerrero was a "pick-em fight"...

It's not as dumb as thinking Calzaghe/Jones was a good representation of what a fight prime vs. prime would look like, but it's pretty goddamned dumb

 

Manny always pulled the 'I knew this would happen' shit. He spent around 75% of his time on the mic talking out of his ass.

 

yup

Great trainer, obviously, but like many insiders, he said lots of outrageously stupid shit

That's why I seldom ever quote an opinion given by a trainer, a fighter, a broadcaster, etc. ... they are as biased as anybody is and say dumb things... George Foreman is a boxing legend, two time Heavyweight champ... he said at least one blatantly incorrect thing every broadcast

DC Calzone will be telling us next that "James Page was ducked by Trinidad, Whitaker, Quartey and De La Hoya"

 

LMAO! Please.

As a Roy fan, and Lummox hater, I've gotta be honest.

Lewis would have put Roy in a coma.

 

anyone who thinks a prime Calzaghe would not be competitive with a prime Roy doesn't know boxing. It's pure nut huggin at its best for Roy Jones jr. Even when it's obvious that Calzaghe has some qualities as a fighter that would have matched up well with Jones and made for a competitive fight.

anyhow lets move on as Roy was a god and cannot be touched...he defended his belt against the best 168 had to offer and was spectacular

 

Yeah, fair, Joe would be competitive because his fathers name is Enzo.

 

Jones dazzled and made fools of the same level of fighters that Calzaghe routinely looked shitty against

 

Virgil hill might have beat crapsaggy

 

I said Joe wouldn't win one round of 5 :dunno:

In any event, it's like playing soldiers, this place.

"I shot you, no you didn't, yes I did, Mitchell is shit, Mitchell loses to Lou Del Valle, they never fought as such but I said it, no you didn't, oh yes I did, bleh bleh bleh".....:dunno:

 

Yeah. Then again, he might not have. In fact, if the last few rounds of his fight with the totally awesome Henry Maske are anything to go by, he would have lost. Now that I think of it, Joe might have embarassed him. If I keep talking, Virgil will have a chance. Whoops, there we go, Virgil is back to getting a draw!! Now, a few more sentences and YES....Joe is on the mat, Virgil wins by KO.....oh no, new paragraph, Joe is getting back up and is beating Virge with the arm he pulled off the body of a dead Mitchelll, who was killed by Louis Del Valle in a fight which took place earlier in this thread...and around and around and around and.......:shit:

 

Eubank was cool. He rips Naz a new one here, Naz's face at the end :::

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I repeat, DM had the best chance outta all these Euro's.

DM was a big, strong, durable come forward guy with a very heavy jab, and big power.

Roy woulda in all likely hood shut him down with his speed, and power, but DM woulda had a puncher's chance.

What chance does Joe have? No puncher's chance. The slapping cokehead couldn't even stop a completely shot, fragile Jones, so we KNOW he ain't stopping a prime version.

Joe's activity level vs a prime Jones would be neutralized after feeling Roy's speed, power, and counters.

I really don't see him being much, or ANY more competitive than Reggie was.

I won't say he takes a Hall type beating, cause Joe was a lot better than Hall, but Roy would COMPLETLEY take him out the fight, and win going away.

As for the others?

Collins was way too limited. Jones woulda used him as a punching bag, and given him the Merqui Sosa treatment.

Benn didn't have the chin. Roy would have knocked Benn cold.

And Eubank would be made to look ordinary, and Chris generally hated coming forward.

The two guys with the BEST chances at beating a prime Jones were both American; G-man, and a prime version of Nunn.

Prime Nunn had THE best chance of beating Jones.