DONAIRE vs. RIGONDEAUX - FINAL PICKS

I don't believe I ever absolved Donaire of any of the blame. I know he's not Vic Darchinyan, and he's not going to run flailing into a counter shot, but it's hard to throw combo's though, when your opponent is nearly always 6 feet out of punching range. He could have tried to cut off the ring much better then he did. Doesn't mean I need to like Rigo for comp-licitly lulling Donaire into trading single shots every 30 seconds or so.

As far as Merchant goes, I don't think he had a preference over Blood & Guts White Guys, Black Guys, Puerto Rican Guys, or Mexican Guys. I certainly don't remember him grumbling during the Morales / Barrera fights. As far as him Cheerleading mismatches, guys who pick and choose opponents for paydays instead of challenges, and risk averse fighters, in order to be seen as an "Ambassador" of the sport.............he is merely saying things the fan is already thinking as they're watching the fight. Far more people tuned in to listen to Merchant, then tuned out. I don't think I can say the same to Kellerman, who is constantly talking down to the "Non-Purists" of the sport, constantly getting outraged by the wrong things, misguided-ly interviewing and calling out cornermen in the middle of fights, and generally calling a piss-poor fight. I liked Kellerman when he was in studio at ESPN, I can't stand him ringside.

I'd rather listen to some guy call it like it is, rather then tell me why I should like something I don't.

I don't like Rigo's style, I don't know what else I can say, and there's plenty of defensive fighters I don't mind watching. Winky Wright, Chris Byrd, Hopkins (of about 5 years ago), Andre Ward. I like guys who do their work inside the pocket, who block and parry punches instead of avoiding them completely with an in and out pot-shotting style, made even worse while being incredibly choosey about when you are going to take those pot-shots.

 

Re: Baldomir, Floyd broke his hand in that fight.

I do agree that Rigo clearly beat him, and Donaire knew it. Also agree that it was on Donaire to press the fight, and he didn't. Donaire was a bit of a "game coward" in this fight.

 

That's just It, Rigondeaux DIDN'T Lull Donaire Into Shit...Rigondeaux OUTFOUGHT Donaire @ Close Quarters, Early On & Donaire Made a CONCIOUS Effort NOT Engage for the Vast Majority of the Bout...& Even the FEW Times he Attempted to Do So (Round 10 & 12), Rigondeaux QUICKLY Put Donaire BACK in his Place & Donaire MEEKLY ACCEPTED his Role...You CLAIM you're Not Absolving Donaire, but Then U Make Comments like this:

but it's hard to throw combo's though, when your opponent is nearly always 6 feet out of punching range

That's NOT the Fight Rigondeaux Fought, Bro...It's a LAZY Characterization of the Bout...

Merchant NEVER Gushed MORE than when he had 2 "Throwback White Guys" Beating Each Others Brains Out for his Edification...& he was Never MORE Unnerved than when 2 "Affletic Black Guys" Shucked & Jived for 12 Rounds...HBO has Been Merchant - Ized to the Point that Fans like YOU Bitch & Moan about Rigondeaux or Any Other Fighter that Dares to DUCK an Incoming Shot...

If Ali, Willie Pep, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles or Others Fought Today &/or had Merchant Calling their Fights, he'd have HATED them & YOU'D Be Referring to them as Boring Too...

You Say Merchant's "Calling it like it Is", REED Says he's a BIASED, JADED Old Fuck...Merchant was a Joe Frazier Guy, so it's No Wonder he has a Style Preference...But Again, that's NOT "Calling it like it is", It's Calling it the Way Merchant LIKED It to Be...Big Difference...

Rigondeaux has a HIGHER KO % than All of the Defensive Guys You Say You Like...& When Opponents BRING the Fight to Him, he Plants his Feet & FIGHTS BACK...Again, Not Really Sure what your Beef is, Bro...




REED:hammert:

 

I would pay PPV money to watch Rigondeaux vs Mikey Garcia, the good thing about Rigo is that he will never really be a draw so, in order to make good money, they'll have to put him in reasonably intriguing match-ups...I enjoyed the Donaire fight, Rigondeaux's chin keeps a good opponent in the fight even though his recovery skills seem sound

 

Rigondeaux will be a draw. He gets his ko's. His talent is off the charts. He's not a bad watch.

He fought a safe fight because it was smart to fight a safe fight.

Donaire did try to change things around in the last 3 rounds. It didn't work for him.
He's good enough to beat Rigondeaux in a rematch because he hits hard enough and is skilled enough to land.

But, like we saw in the 12th (and at other times), taking chances to land your best shots against Rigondeaux can backfire.

 

Rigondeaux will NEVER Be a DRAW...

He's ALREADY 32, he's a LOWER Weight Fighter, he Doesn't Speak a Lick of English & Even Though REED has Spent the Last Week DEFENDING his Style, Rigondeaux Admittedly DOESN'T Fight in a Manner that Captivates Mainstream Fans...


REED:hammert:

 

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Is that Keith Holmes???...



REED:mj:

 

"2 people are the main culprit"


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gilermo rigendoh

 

If i found that video first i would posted it as "REED provides his post fight thoughts on Donaire-Rigondeaux" :l3:

 

i guess winning doesnt always matter. funny how HBO wants to blackball this kid, but will showcase Andre Ward

 

That's fucking mental. Gondo is 100 times more watchable than Ward, and better.

 

agREED...

Rigondeaux has LEGITIMATE, Fight Ending POWER...Ward Needed to Fight a PASSIVE, WEIGHT DRAINED Cat, to Register his 1st KO in 3 Fucking YEARS...

Rigondeaux's More ACCOMPLISHED, SKILLED & Flat Out BETTER, as you Said...




REED:mj:

 

I know opinion is divided on Gondo, even in the Donaire fight - but personally I thought he was brilliant to watch, as did many of us.

Why do you think HBO would prioritise someone as unexciting as Ward over Gondo? Because he's 'Murican?

 

Ward is more marketable ( i guess) speaks english, american, won gold medal, well spoken. in the ring the guy isnt much to watch. plus it isnt gonna be easy to find foes for rigondeaux

 

That's the only reason I can think of. I quite like Ward as it goes, but Rigondeaux is a level above and deserves to be showcased. There are plenty of good fighters in or around his weight class too unlike Ward (or at least good fighters he hasn't fought yet), doesn't make sense at all to me.

 

do you chaps think Rigondeaux would get inducted into the IBHOF if he retired tomorrow?

 

Maybe Not So Much Because he's American, but Because he Speaks ENGLISH & is Well Spoken...Ward's Also YOUNGER, in a More MARKETABLE Weight Range, has BIGGER Fights on the Horizon, etc...

Having Said that, it's Still SHAMEFUL HBO's Reluctant to Broadcast Rigondeaux...Even Though he's Signed w/Golden Boy, Abner Mares CAN'T Have Many, if Any BIGFIGHT Options Left, Other than Rigondeaux...That's a Fight HBO Should Pursue...




REED:mj:

 

HBO refuses to air golden boy fighters

 

I can see what you're saying about Rigo not speaking English etc, but there are some decent fighters or names he can be showcased against. He has more options in that regard than Ward, I'd say.

 

I always forget about the politics, fair point. It's such a pain in the arse.

 

I find rigondeaux brilliant to watch... he's far more classic than the awkward-but-effective Ward... he's a little wizard

 

Hard to Say...

Definitely NOT 1st Ballot, Though Winning 2 Olympics AND Basically UNIFYING a Division SHOULD Be Enough, Compared to the CRAP that's Already Been Inducted...

As of Now, Rigondeaux ISN'T Marketable Enough...Doesn't have a Motion Picture Starring Mark Wahlberg, Dedicated to his Life, Doesn't Carry & Count Thousands of Dollars in CASH, on Camera...Isn't Blinged Out...Doesn't Talk Shit...He Simply FIGHTS...

Sadly, Rigondeaux May have to Be VERY Aggressive w/his Matchmaking, in his Remaining Years, to Make the HOF Happen...Abner Mares, Mikey Garcia, Gary Russell, Jr....Rigondeaux Needs to Fight Those Guys or Hope Someone Else is on the Horizon...



REED:mj:

 

i was arguing with someone earlier about this but to me the precedent should be lazlo papp. he is already in

 

it's possible

Donaire was a p4p guy and Rigo boxed rings around him... if they take into consideration his amateur exploits, it seems he's a shoe-in (after all, how do you explain Lazlo Papp being in there?)

Regardless of whether or not the voters would honor him, we all know that there are more than a handful of guys already in there would have a hell of a time beating him at his best... sure, he gets knocked on his ass here and there, but outside of that he's brilliant

 

They Say that NOW, but REED's Learned HBO NEVER Says "Never"...

1nce Upon a Time, they Swore Off Don King Fighters...They Swore Off the Klitschko's Too, Until the David Haye Fight Crept Up....By the Time Errol Spence is Ready to Fight for a World Title, REED Thinks HBO will Place Itself BACK into the Al Haymon/Golden Boy Sweepstakes...

Admittedly, it's DOUBTFUL HBO Thinks Enough of Mares OR Rigondeaux, to Work w/G Again, but it'd Be a MEANINGFUL Fight they Could Showcase Rigondeaux in...




REED:mj:

 

makes sense to me

Even Kid Chocolate, though obviously worthy of induction on his pro record alone, has part of his IBHOF bio devoted to the fact that he was unbeaten as an amateur

 

could be. spence seems like one of the better young talents. i think HBO dumping Kery Davis was a sign that they dont intend to work with haymon anymore