Who ranks higher, Mayweather or Leonard?

Leonard fought Duran because he thought he was going to have an easy time with the smaller guy, then demanded a track oval be used as the ring in the rematch against a bloated and out of shape Duran. Finally fought Hearns because he had to, and didn't want to see Hearns again in a rematch until almost a decade later (and then he lost). Never looked for a Hagler fight until Hagler was past his best, and then arguably lost.

Leonard would've never rematched Castillo in a thousand years.

Also, Donnie Lalonde.

 

No, it isn't actually.

 

All true. He's a scheming bitch. But he's still way better and greater than Floyd.

 

That's kind of the point. Duran was absolutely a hit or miss fighter after his loss to Leonard.

 

The same one who performed an autopsy on Davey Moore

What's McCallum's greatest moment at 154? A questionable stoppage of the one-dimensional Julian Jackson?

A desperation KO of Curry, who was kicking the shit out of him for 4 1/2 rounds?

McCallum gets the "greatest 154 pounder" tag hung on him for no other reason than the fact that not a single great fighter in history has ever hung around there for very long, it's been a stopover for all of the best fighters who have fought there

I loved watching McCallum fight, he was a classic old-school technician but he has become incredibly overrated the last 15 years or so, mainly because he was underappreciated in his heyday... The guy's resume is thin among "Great" fighters

 

He never would have had a reason to rematch a basic bum like Castillo in the first place because he would have beaten the fuck out of him to begin with

 

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Anybody else ever stop him in two rounds?

 

The Jackson stoppage was definitely iffy... And was Curry not winning that fight by a mile?

 

Floyd Flat Out DUCKING Pint-Sized Pacquiao is Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar WORSE than ANYTHING You Can Reference, in Regards to Ray Leonard...Floyd Dug Up EVERY Excuse in the World & Even RETIRED for a Bit, All in an Effort to AVOID Sharing a Ring w/Manny Pacquiao...

Leonard's Resume SHITS on Floyd's, Homey...& he Never EVER Had a Fight THATfuckingBIG, that Failed to Materialize...



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jackson was done. no problem there with the stoppage. "desperation"? you make it sound like mcCallum curry was castro vs john david jackson.

 

I think Jackson could have been given more of a chance

fair enough... but he was losing that fight very clearly when he landed that bomb

My point was not really to denigrate either win but to put in perspective what we are talking about... Trpl was laughing off the idea of Hearns' best wins at 154 eclipsing McCallum's and I think that is ridiculous... Hearns' are clearly better

 

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also, Floyd had a broken hand and an injured shoulder in that fight. so both his hands were handicapped

 

I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone say Curry was kicking the crap out of McCallum. Nevertheless, using the term "desperation" knockout is ridiculous.

The truth is, not one single fighter went the distance with McCallum during his 3+ year and 10 fight reign at 154. His reputation was for beating guys down. Curry was no different and Mike delivered one of the greatest knockouts in history.

But regardless of what I think in the Hearns versus McCallum debate, the fact is that Emmanuel Steward knew exactly who was better. I will defer to him because he probably knew both guys better than me.

 

I put that on Manny, not on Floyd. I don't want to rehash all that shit again, though. If Leonard 12-0'd a guy who knocked out Hagler, we wouldn't have any issue then either.

No disagreement on Leonard's resume shitting on Floyd's, I already admitted his competition was far superior.

 

you can not be serious with this

You honestly think SRL would have had trouble knocking the shit out of a guy with Castillo's attributes and "skills"? He'd destroy a guy like that

Dude went toe-to-toe with Duran for 15 furious rounds and only JUST lost, he'd put a Castillo-level guy in a box

 

castillo wasnt some spindley legged faggot like hearns, he woulda went in for the kill vs leonard

 

Anybody who didn't have that fight 4-0 Curry doesn't know how to score a fight

His 10 fight reign against essentially mediocre opposition, especially when you compare it to what Hearns did at the weight

"The fact is Emanuel Steward knew exactly who was better..." So he let the guy walk out the door? You can't make this stuff up

 

And Leonard took a horrific beating against Hearns before Hearns weak legs and will gave in.

 

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This coming from the guy that called McCallum's KO over Curry "desperation".

Let's see. Leonard was behind on all cards going into the 14th. Leonard's face was a swollen mess. To me, that seems desperate.

 

I hope you're just playing devils advocate.

 

He mentioned Donnie LaLonde, so he is clearly dead serious.

 

Donny Lalonde is a hero in my country.

 

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With all the curling gold medals and a one-armed fighter is a hero?

Bullshit. I would imagine LaLonde is living in witness protection or under an assumed name in Moosefuck, British Columbia.

 

Leonard damn near stopped Tommy in the middle rounds... That fight was close and dramatic with numerous changes in momentum...

McCallum/Curry was looking like an impressive victory for Curry when McCallum (to his credit) changed his strategy and started trying to set-up a left hook upstairs... it worked and it's a great win for him

 

This is one thing I think is questionable.

Would Leonard be even more appreciated if his record was 47-3-1, with the eleven guys being title defenses against lower level of contenders? I think he would, but I am not sure if that is the correct take.

Is it better to do a relatively short career and concentrate in the biggest fights or make a long career and also fight weaker guys? Is it better to have a great, short resume or long, solid resume? Is it easier to fight "only" the big fights or to fight plenty at lower level?

The fact is, Floyd fought more top-10 contenders in his career (according to the Ring for example) whereas Ray fought the absolute top. It is about what you appreciate more

I think the matter is debatable, even though the first thought is that Leonard is far superior

 

:atu: Looking like an impressive victory for Curry after 4 rounds of a fight scheduled for 15.


And, even funnier is the fact that McCallum was only a single point behind on 2 cards.


Holy shit this can't get any more revisionist.