Who ranks higher, Mayweather or Leonard?

Floyd just has too many missing guys on his resume. He could have made the discussion closer by having a superfight with Pacquiao, but chose not to.

I think SRL is the best fighter of all time, but you can make a plausible, if not very strong, argument for Floyd. At his best, he has been superb.

 

4-0 Curry is some weird scoring, brother clogg.

 

Really? It's been a decade or so since I watched it, but I thought Curry was winning the rounds until he got clipped.

 

I am not objective but I had it 2-2. Curry was doing great work with his jab. He buckled McCallum with a right hand in the 2nd. But in typical fashion, McCallum wasn't flashy but landing to the body.

 

Didnt you hear? It was a desperation knockout for McCallum.

 

According to the judges, Whitaker/Chavez was a draw

What's your point?

Curry won every completed round of that fight

I'm getting accused of revisionism from a guy who claims Manny Steward "Knew" McCallum was better (so he let the better guy walk out the door?) and that Tommy Hearns lost because of weak legs and weak will, as if Leonard punching the shit out fo him had nothing to do with it and that Leonard lost "to a lightweight" like the lightweight in quesiton isn't one of the best fighters in history

 

End of story

 

He landed more and better in every round... I don't see it as debatable... He also rocked him badly early on

 

I hate Ray Leonard as much as anyone, but the guy is beyond debate as a 147 pounder... one of the best resumes ever

 

either way I'm guessing we can all agree both these guys would utterly clown anyone around right now.

 

First was an obvious McCallum round. I had the 4th level, too. 2nd was very close until Curry rocked him late on.....I think Mike was still buzzed from that in the 3rd, that was a runaway Curry round.

 

Ummmm, Manny said it himself. Leonard did lose to a former lightweight. Those are called facts.

Saying McCallum's KO of Curry was "desperation" is not a fact. Saying Curry was winning 4-0 is also not a fact.

I can define "fact" for you if that's the problem here.

 

You are a mentalist!

 

But let's go deeper. Given the overall flow of the fight, did it look like an impressive win for Curry or like McCallum needed a desperation knockout?

Regardless of how you scored the fight thru 4, those are some of the most questionable claims in Fightbeat history.

Plus, I think Cdogg also said McCallum was getting his ass kicked. ::

 

Where did Manny "say it himself"? Manny said lots of dumb shit, lots of contradictory shit... McCallum was not better than Hearns, he didn't accomplish as much as Hearns, either

I have conceded "desperation" was a poor choice of words

Let me know when you get your head out of your ass long enough to consider that "lost to a lightweight" "Leonard won because of Tommy's weak legs and weak will" (as if Hearns was lacking in Heart, a ridiculous assertion) aren't exactly examples of "Facts"

You would make McCallum vs. Joe Louis a pick-em

 

McCallum was losing that fight clearly

Leonard "lost to a lightweight" and Tommy Hearns lost to Leonard because of "weak legs and weak will" are two of the dumbest observations ever made on here

 

Speaking of desperation, now your trying to tell me what I would say or change what I said. Trust me, I am perfectly capable of relaying my own thoughts. For example, I said Leonard lost to a former LW. That is 100% factual.

And "he didn't have accomplish as much as Hearns" is bad wording, but a true statement. But at 154, no matter what the grammar, McCallum was easily more accomplished.

 

Duran was a former lightweight. Castillo in Leonard's day would've been a junior middle. Put Leonard against a super middle Castillo's level and style, with two injured wings, and see what happens ok bich

 

also I had Duran-Leonard I 15-0 Duran

 

I had it to Duran by 21 points :bears:

 

1) It's also a pathetically loaded comment, as was noted by basically everyone in the thread who laughed at you for saying it

2) Says you... I'll take Hearns dominating Benitez and decapitating Duran over every single thing McCallum did at the weight... all day, every day...

 

And the desperation continues. I said Hearn's weak legs and will gave in. I didn't say he lost because of them.

And again, Leonard lost to a former LW, which is a true statement no matter how you spin it.

 

This is the silliest shit I've ever heard

Of course, being that Duran was only a lightweight, it stands to reason that Leonard must have been a piss-poor Welter for Duran to beat him... If that had been a real good welterweight (like Floyd Mayweather), Duran would have gotten knocked out cold and embarrassed
:hammert:

 

1) a retarded statement, especially the part about his will

2) it's as good an example of "spin" on its own as there is

There'd be no point in even mentioning it unless you were doing so for the purpose of denigrating the other guy (Leonard) ... Or is it now your position that you were simply throwing it out there without meaning for it to be a qualifying remark?

 

Yeah, I'm sure you would, and I would probably agree if I completely dismissed McCallum's wins over Jackson as a premature stoppage, over Curry as a lucky punch, and forgot the value of defending a belt 10 times over 3 years all by knockout.

If I was that simple, we'd be on the same page.

 

1) Ray wanted it more. Hearns was the mentally weaker fighter.

2) Ray lost his first mega fight and it was to a former lightweight. It's a fact whether you like it or not.


And let's be 100% honest. Duran was NEVER better or more dominant than he was at 135. He was a god at Lightweight and he was a hit or miss fighter above 135.

 

If I were blindly devoted to Mike McCallum, I'd be on the same page with you

Blasting Roberto Duran out in two rounds and outboxing Wilfred Benitez with one hand shits on every single win of Mike McCallum's career, 154 or otherwise

10 defenses? He made 6 defenses... For a fanboy, you don't seem too familiar with the reign... Who'd he defend against? Sean fucking Mannion? Luigi Manchillo (who Tommy had already whupped)? Dave Braxton? Milton "Destitute Man's Tommy" McCrory? Quite a lineup, surely a lot more impressive than Benitez/Duran/Hearns

 

It's kind of like how McCallum was mentally weaker than Sumbu Kalambay... Sumbu wanted it more

McCallum lost his first mega fight... oh wait, he never had a megafight until he lost to James Toney and got a bullshit draw

Yeah, Duran was nothing as a welterwieght... totally sucked... He kicked the shit out of Carlos Palomino and he beat Leonard, but that is nothing special, because as we have established, Leonard was a spot-picking phony who never beat anyone good, his best win coming against an easily-defeated, weak-willed fighter, and even then he was losing because he sucked ... Now, if Leonard had decisioned Sean Mannion, we'd have something to rate him on

 

If Floyd fought Pacquiao a few years ago i'd still pick Leonard over him, but i would have voted the 'close' option.

 

same