David Haye-Tyson Fury look certain to meet this year!

wald pussy is always terrified

he comes forward so he can grab his opponent and hug him

 

I blame shite referees more than Wlad.

has Joseph 'FIGHT HIM!' Cooper reffed again since he showed all these clowns how it's done?

 

Wlad did ZERO holding pre Manny. Choof. It was all out Blitzkrieg before that. Fuck or walk.

 

Rescheduled for Feb 8.

 

:: What a shitty,nothing date ::

 

that just isn't true

 

Oh, yes, now I remember, there was that one time when............................:shit:

Wlad let his hands go back then. You know it.

He still isn't even known as a holder since he teamed up with Manny, despite Howard "Murica" Ledermans best efforts.

Lampley and Drunken Larry put that fuck in his place.

 

Steward is unquestionably behind the style change and tactics, but Wlad took it to another level even Manny wasn't happy with at times.

 

wait, WHAT?

Anyway, to the rest, he always clinched a lot... He simply clinched MORE after getting stretched by a couple of bums

If he's not known as a clincher now, then Sammy Angott's nickname was due to a hobby he had fixing Standard Transmissions

 

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C'mon...you don't really believe that.

 

In European media it is never mentioned that Wlad holds much. It is always that "he fights passively" or "doesn't take any risks" or "protects himself masterfully" but he is not known as a holder over here

 

so apparently they started watching boxing 5 years ago???

 

Could be. Though I believe the real difference is that European media doesn't see clinching and other kinds of "scared fighting" being as bad as the media in USA does and instead they concentrate on Wlad's success. They do realize and mention it that there are less punches thrown in his fights but clinching is never really mentioned, he isn't known for that.

 

He "Protects himself masterfully" by constantly enveloping his opponents and breaking the rules... He is the beneficiary of across-the-board terrible refereeing

He clinches more than any other world-class fighter by miles... Whether or not the media chooses to acknowledge that is irrelevant... We're all boxing people here, we all know what clinching is and we all know wald pussy is notorious for it

 

I don't disagree that he holds more than anyone these days. I am just pointing out that he is not known for that apart from boxing people, which was the original claim. Whether it is relevant or not is a different question, as is if it makes him a lesser fighter or are his fights refereed differently

 

Steward adopted Vitali's style for Wlad. Did Sdunek come up with it or Vitali on his own, I'm not sure, but I'm fine giving Sdunek credit for it. It's not the same trying to give Steward all the credit for Wlad, though. He was in the right place at the right time with the right blueprint and the right fighter. Plus, Steward was never a keep away trainer so I'm inclined to think that he just went along for the ride.

What is behind Wlad's change is getting ko'd by three guys he was better than. That aggressive style made most think he was better than Vitali when he probably wasn't. The keep away style that he's fought with since Steward actually made him better in the sense that he's a lot harder to beat now.

 

His style is not the same as Vitali's not even close. His strategy is somewhat similar, though even there Vitali clearly pressures his opponents more

 

Do you stay in Helsinki, Mr.Ugo?

 

Usually not, I live north from there, though I visit there quite often. And when I get to see Wlad, I am in heaven

 

I'm talking about Vitali's style pre-Lennox, not after. His style was very similar to how Wlad fights since Steward and, I agree, very dissimilar to how Vitali has fought since Lennox.

 

Thats completely different to being a clincher. In the Haye fight, Haye wouldn't let him clinch, so Wlad just ran after him and still didn't get any credit. Watch Lewis vs Tyson........everybody is at it. Klitschko actually lost a point for NOTHING in the Haye fight, Haye so dramatically flopped. And Wlad wasn't trying to clinch, he was merely trying to implement the tactic of hall of FAME trainer Manny "Lean on his ass Lennox" Steward. Look at the Shufford fight, rather than clinch and lean on like Manny hall of FAME Steward would go on to teach him, he KO'd his man with a great hook. Same in the Monte Barret fight. He wasn't trying this lean on BS, he was trying to hook out of it. Manny got him through the Sam Peter fight, and like a scooby snack, Wlad realized he could use it to get him through rough times. Previously, he let his hands go, come what may, not that he got any fucking credit for it either.

 

Agreed. Its one of my biggest beefs with people. Thinking the Klitschkos are alike as fighters. They aren't. They are completely different. Vitali check hooks and counter left hooks and lead left hooks all the time. In his younger days he would have stopped Haye in very short order as the left hand, which was the shot to stop Haye with, is held ALWAYS below the hip, out of sight. It then gets whipped up at speed and with accuracy. He damn near stopped Danny Willams in 2005 with a shot that even had Roy Jones complimenting it. And that was 5 years after his left shoulder was injured.

Vitali is light years ahead of Wlad. In the Arreola fight, he feinted a jab and instead whipped in a left to the body-left to the head combo. And this was after around 7 rounds of action. Maybe more. Take away the injuries, give Vitali his brothers reflexes and movement, and you probably have a perfect fighter. Wlad is a poor imitation by comparison. Bernd Bonte made the point as early as 2000 that Wlad had none of his brothers calm under pressure. It was in KO magazine, the issue with Hopkins on the cover.

 

A punch that damn near stops Danny Williams in an impressive blow, no doubt.

 

Some guys can't hit the bag with the shots a guy like Vitali can throw at an opponent. A 3 inch left hook that drops a 260lb man and leaves him with a gashed nose is a pretty decent shot. I guess Mike was lacking impressive blows by that stage of his career :: a mere 2 years after his "Impressive Blows" finale with Lewis. Another pay per view extravaganza :: GO HBO!! GO MURICA!!!

 

Oh, it was??

This is a boxing message board... we are all "boxing people"... I don;t recall Irish clarifying it by saying "wald isn't known for holding, at least not by mainstream European sports reporters with limited knowledge of the sport"

 

I stopped reading after that

You'd argue if someone said the guy was "Tall"

 

His quote was:
He still isn't even known as a holder since he teamed up with Manny, despite Howard "Murica" Ledermans best efforts.

For a person to be known for something I think it means "known outside the experts". Like Foreman was known for his punching power since even the average fans knew him for that. The average followers don't know Wlad for clinching

I might be wrong here. But Ruotsalainen > Orr anyways

 

You and Irish can split hairs and make up your own definitions all you want, but the bottom line is Wlad does a lot of holding. His holding against the washed-up Mormeck (who wouldn't have been a serious threat even in his prime) was ridiculous.

 

I was trying to add information and perspective that perhaps not everybody knows by telling how Wlad is viewed in European articles. not saying if they are right or wrong.

Of course, I should have just quoted cdogg and tell that I agree with everything

 

Really the most disgraceful performance I've ever seen. Ruining a fight you're getting beat up in with bitch tactics is one thing but doing it when you're winning a complete mismatch......worst, worst, worst