MUSIC: the official thread.

I'm surrounded by ketamine freaks from kent, the walls are shaking and there are three girls on this couch wearing wedding dresses. Somebody make me a baby again, I want to be new.

 

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Somebody would listen to this on purpose?


TFK

 

Yeah that's some awful noise

 

I found it kind of boring but good musicians and he's a fine trumpet player... Not my cup of tea but I'd have a microchip playing it nonstop in my head forever instead of sitting through any more of that Death Grips stuff hut posted

 

Debussy was awful noise to many, Schoenberg to most, jazz fusion, rock n roll, punk, hip hop. Beefheart is still awful noise to 99% of people. Modern music is the progression from pretty, digestable music to dissonant, challenging music that sounds 'bad'.

 

What are your thoughts on Ian Rubbish?

 

That shits funny... Armisen does that accent pretty well

 

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I wasn't sure if you'd seen the sketch even though it seems we both have watched a lot of SNL. I just watched some compilation of sketches and although I saw the bit before, I never would have remembered the name of "Ian Rubbish".

 

ever see Portlandia?

 

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its the happy mondays after a lobotomy

 

:: Nothing like the Mondays

 

I wonder if anybody be able to tell the difference if Ryder or Bez had a lobotomy at this stage? ::

 

I've heard of it but don't know anything about it.

 

It's funny, you'd like it

 

Lol yeah death grips is a real progression from Debussy ... Getouttahere

 

DeBussy wasn't a 'progression' in musicianship, he was a progression in sensibility.

 

He wasn't a progression in anything, he was just doing something a little different...

 

What he was doing was pretty radical in 1894, no? prelude to the afternoon of a faun anyway. Working outside a given key and without any conventional cadence. Just wandering around indeterminately with no resolution. Apparently allot of people found it unpleasant to listen to.

 

A lot of the establishment did, sure, because there were rules in place that he was circumnavigating. However, it wasn't dissonant and there was resolution, just not in the same way there was with say, Brahms. All of it was carefully crafted. Stravinsky was far more "offensive" when it came to dissonance and rhythm. None of this was random, however; every sound was intended and written on a staff.

It's the word "progression" I object to, primarily. Whether musically or in sensibility. "Do I like the sounds being made here?" or at the very least "Do I find these sounds interesting?" ... that's how I rate music on a personal level. I don't believe that deconstructed sonic chaos is a progression in sensibility to say the opposite (Bach, for instance) ... it's simply another way to skin a cat. There's always a dangerous level of pretentiousness that comes along with movements like these. Ornette Coleman was a shite jazz saxophonist, couldn't play Charlie Parker or Coltrane or Lester Young or Coleman Hawkins... so he just started bullshitting and a lot of people saw thorugh it, saw it for what it was, and others (most of them white writers) proclaimed him a genius and gave him a career, which was followed by other obnoxious phonies like Archie Shepp and Pharoah Sanders. Ornette Coleman's not a progression from John Coltrane, he's a bullshitter who couldn't play Coltrane's music so he just honked away without having to worry about playing anything. Evenb later on, it was always a "head" would be written and then when it came time to play something over the changes, the changes would be abandoned and he was free to honk away not because he's a genius but because he can't play over the changes, he's not good enough. That's not progress, it's a con.

As for Death Grips, I don't have any difficulty understanding it. It's not complicated. I just don't like the sounds or the rap. The MC is mush-mouthed, the beats are unfunky. It doesn't do anything for me. It sounds bad. There's nothing there particularly revolutionary to my ears.

 

By progression i merely meant trend or change. Like modernist art and architecture - not necessarily for the better, just reflective of the sensibilities & climate of their time & referential of what's gone before. As an aside, the beats aren't remotely meant to be 'funky'.

 

That's gay:nono:

 

Nah, funky's gay. Funky makes me z.

 

You are a fucking weirdo

You are always going on about "danceable" yet you dislike probably the most danceable rhythms there are (the funky kind)

 

"Gay":hh:

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How can anybody hate da funk? Hut likes weird things, like a rapper who samples a milkfloat crashing into a fire alarm factory or something, the fuck is that.

 

Its cheesy.

 

:::bears: