COTTO VS MARTINEZ - Fight Discussion

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Watson... Get the fuck out of here... He couldn't shine Starling's shoes... Holy fuck that's ridiculous

 

If you truly think that, you're overrating the living shit outta Starling.

Watson beat the crap outta Benn, was robbed BLIND against Eubank in their first fight, and was beating the shit outta Eubank in the rematch til he sadly ran into that uppercut that ended his career, and altered his life.

Watson was a fine fighter.

The Marlon Starling that exists in your world is imaginary.

 

Watson was a basic, solid, world-class pro fighter, nothing special

He did not beat the shit out of Benn either... it was a very competitive fight and you know it

Starling, on the other hand, did legitimately beat the shit out of Lloyd Honeyghan and schooled your boy Simon Brown ... He also held your other boy Michael Nunn to a split decision... Came within a whisker of beating Curry the first time (though he clearly lost the second one, to Curry's credit)

Watson's lone name victory and close defeats are only as amazing as you think his opponents are... He didn't do a thing better than Starling, he didn't beat anyone as good as the guys Starling beat, he didn't lose close to anyone as good as the guys Starling lost close to

Without exaggerating at all, saying that Watson is of the same caliber as Moochie is like saying "Edwin Rosario is in the class of Julio Cesar Chavez" (before you jump all over that, obviously Rosario>Watson, Chavez>Starling... that's not the point... the point is degrees)

Outside of someone English, I find it hard to believe that anyone who knows boxing well would think of Mike Watson as being as good a fighter as Marlon Starling

 

in the lineage of magic men, tarver and malignaggi trump starling

 

:l3:

 

Watson was a quality fighter

 

Watson countered the living shit outta Benn, and stopped him. It wasn't that competitive.

Simon Brown isn't my "boy" either. I think Brown was a damn good fighter, but I'd never put him in the class with the true welter elites.

Never said Watson was better than Starling either. But to be quite frank, no, the gap between them isn't that substantial.

Starling in reality was a very good fighter who would lose to every single great welterweight in history. In your world, he's some type of virtuoso.

 

Watson never dominated a tomato can as badly as Starling whooped Honeyghan

 

Starling arguably beat and lost once competitively to a great welter ... He also dominated two historically good welters...

Watson never accomplished anything close ... The gap is quite large between them

 

starling made tommy molinares look like luis primera

 

LOL

 

Yes, we all know you're enamored with Starling-Honeyghan. You discuss it as if were in same league as the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.

Starling was closer to the caliber of an Ike Quartey than he was the level of Leonard, Hearns, Duran, and Benitez. Thing is, there's NO SHAME WHATSOEVER in being in the Quartey tier. You just wanna paint him as some great.

Oh and for the record, I'd pick him to decision Ike, so don't faint.

 

So was McCallum... That's the point... You introduced starling to the topic

McCallum never did a thing to warrant comparisons to the Fab 4 and Benitez ... Yet guys like you continue to repeat the lie ... Ike Quartey was a much better fighter than Mike Watson, too, for the record

 

Where did I say Starling was great?

 

Actually, Neil introduced him to the topic.

And I REAAAALLLLYYYY pray you're not suggesting McCallum and Quartey were on the same tier as fighters. McCallum was a class above Ike, and there's really NO debate at all against that.

 

in your memoirs, bich

 

McCallum would have beaten the shit outta Ike's robotic ass.

 

What?

 

Starling stomp to grate to prowerful grate ideosinkratic defens of are times bich

 

159? gtfo:FU!:

 

get mee cokck hard...
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I can't see cotto beating Martinez

Martinez is too big for him and might make him into a tranny or hooker

 

Cotto UD12

 

Watson beat the shit out of Benn. It wasn't really competitive at all - by the fourth round Watson was countering Benn to death and finished him off decisively by the 6th. It was a beating. And that is from a big Benn fan. Watson also smacked Eubanks around in the first fight and was robbed, flat out, and the second fight was a one-sided beatdown until THAT freak uppercut/whiplash off the bottom rope changed everything.

He has a legit win over Benn and has one against Eubanks in the eyes of anyone who watched the fight and can score properly. His loss against McCallum can be mitigated somewhat by the fact that Watson got badly injured preparing for that fight and had to take the rearranged match after almost 11 months out of the ring with no preparatory fights between the title shot and the Benn win. Not saying he would have won or anything because McCallum was quality but he (Watson) was hardly in the best shape he could be for that one.

Watson was a very good fighter who would have mopped up in today's 160lb wasteland. I'd pick him over Froch pretty confidently, and Kessler at 168 too. I'm not getting involved in the Starling/McCallum thing because I like them both, but Watson was an excellent fighter denied by a terrible happenstance the chance to really prove it in his prime years.

MTF

 

I think it will be a good fight with Martinez pulling away down the stretch (if he still has his legs.)

Martinez 115-112 (7 rounds to 5 with one late knockdown.)

 

Good post. Watson was excellent. It's a shame that he's the "forgotten man" of the 90's UK middleweights and everyone goes on about Benn and Eubank, because he was better than both of them IMO.

 

Still, clearly an inferior fighter to Moochie

 

But we can all agree that fat Moochie/Benn/Eubanks/Watson/McCallum would beat the crap out of old weight-drained Martinez and fat MW Cotto

 

He is bigger than cotto