Favorite one sided dismantling's that ended in a stoppage

one of the other great name butcherings was Sir Gay lie Hoe Witch... ::

 

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Is it Markwezz or Marr-Kezz..........

 

Sugar Ray Leonard used to get confused about Barry Tompkins and Larry Merchant and would call either one "Blarry"

 

unforgivable stuff from a writer

 

Tyson was your classic school yard bully. He's collected lunch money and handed out ass whuppens his whole life. 98% of the kids won't fight him and the ones that did fight him were so petrified they were looking for a soft spot to fall before the fight began.

Holyfield is your classic school bully-crusher. The new kid that transfers in half way through the year. The kid that doesn't blink when he's asked for his lunch money. The kid that smiles and chuckles when the bully asks him to meet him after school.

Like people have said earlier, Holyfield has always had the style AND the mentality to beat Tyson. He's patient, not initimidated, confident in his style, and a proven champion his whole life as well.

Tyson was animal when he cleaned out the division but let's face it. Through no fault of Tyson, it was a weak ere for heavyweights. Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Trevor Berbick, Frank Bruno, Razor Ruddock, then Michael Spinks. He mowed through them impressively but they weren't exactly murderer's row. And to be honest some of these elite, world class fighters (for the time) were scared shitless of Tyson. Spinks being the most obvious (and then Bruce Seldon after the prison term.) Tyson was very comfortable with his reputation and ability to initimidate other fighters. I think there is something about him fighting Holyfield who is not intimidated in the least and not going to back down an inch. I see a pre-prison showdown between those two going pretty much the same as what happened in '96. Tyson was actually even more of a favorite in '96 than he would have been earlier. Ring Magazine predicted Tyson KO1 in that fight.

 

Another Tyson groupie that can't handle the truth. :loser:

 

There's no truth to Tyson being PURELY a bully. And if you think the main key to beating Tyson was as simple as "standing up to him", then that's pure hate and bullshit.

Holy beat Tyson mainly because he was strong enough to push him back, and constantly force him off balance, and also because he was smart enough to tie him up, and smother him on the inside. The Tyson of 96 was only a force for about 5-6 rounds. Holy by that stage had FAR superior stamina.

If they fight in the early 90's, it's a different story. Holy isn't as physically strong, isn't as crafty, and Tyson of the early 90's is MUCH quicker on the trigger, not as hittable, puts together more than 2 punches at a time, and doesn't fade as quickly.

 

The easiest way to beat Tyson was to punch him in the face.

 

A true Tyson groupie would say that there's NO WAY Holy beats a younger Tyson. I never said that. I simply said it's a different fight. Only a TRUE Tyson hater would believe that the post-prison Tyson didn't lose a considerable step.

Tyson had a young man's style, and peaked in his early 20's. The years in prison, combined with age, combined with a loss in dedication all contributed to his decline.

 

And headbutt the shit out of him without getting penalized.
And be Evan Fields.
And have a great chin.

 

I agree.

I'd say that's the easiest way to beat any fighter in history.

 

I agree with X.

Young Mike was a different animal than 96 Mike and Holyfield was a smarter fighter by then too. Young Holy would go to war and Mike's superior speed and power would tell the day.


And for my money, no version of Holyfield beats Lennox. Styles make fights.

 

Except he did beat him in the rematch.

 

He didn't though, that fight is the classic case of fans overcompensating when a fighter does better than people expect. Lewis won clearly. There is absolutely no question that Lewis won the first four rounds in the rematch, and there's no way Holyfield won 6 of the next 8.

 

Exactly. It was closer and more competitive than the first but Lennox still deserved to win that fight. It was actually quite clear.

 

Isn't it funny that Tyson was a bigger favorite in 1996 than he would have been in '90/'91.

Holyfield had been through three wars with Bowe, losing two of them. He had some kind of heart condition at one point. He was thought to be going downhill in his career by many.

 

Who was Tyson's best win against (pre-prison stint?) Ancient Holmes? Scared Spinks? Ruddock? Bonecrusher Smith? James Tillis?

He came on the scene and wiped out a bunch of old, slow has-beens. He demolished them in impressive fashion. And a bunch of WWF type fans were ready to call him the best HW ever. That's why I call them groupies. Tyson and Hamed have the worst type of fans in all of boxing.

 

Holmes was still capable. That win was very impressive, the way he just obliterated him.

Pinklon Thomas, Ruddock, Smith, all decent fighters and good wins, the Spinks win is excellent too, scared or not.

 

Tucker was good.

 

Yet Doub Thinks Sugar Ray was a BETTER Commentator than Roy Jones Is...




REED::

 

Merchant KNEW Better, he just DIDN'T Give a Fuck, Which is PRECISELY Why REED Loathed his Old, Bitter Ass...

FUCK Larry Merchant...




REED:FU!:

 

AND???...

Ring Magazine OVER Estimated Holyfield's Level of Decline Based on his KO Loss to Riddick Bowe & his STRUGGLE w/Bobby Czyz, Leading Up to the Tyson Fight...If You're Noting a Ring Magazine Prediction as Some Sort of PROOF Tyson WASN'T Diminished, Post Prison, You're Fooling YOURSELF, Homey...

It's an OVERUSED Fucking MYTH that "All You Gotta Do is STAND UP to Tyson", to Beat Him...Utter BULLSHIT...

Trevor Berbick WAS NOT Scared of Tyson, he Just WASN'T Good Enough to Beat Him...Ditto for Pinklon Thomas, Frank Bruno, Razor Ruddock, Larry Holmes & Others...Neither was Frans Botha, Waaaaaaaaaaaay AFTER Tyson was Effectively DONE...

REED GETS Why You Don't LIKE Mike Tyson, but he was 1 of THE Most TALENTED Heavyweights of ALL Times, had an All Time Great CHIN & Did Not Shrivel Up in Tough Fights, as his Late Rounds Knockdown of Buster Douglas CLEARLY Illustrates...Whether You Appreciate that or Not...

It WASN'T Until Danny Williams and Kevin McBride that Tyson just Flat Out QUIT in Fights...



REED:hammert:

 

ie., as Reliant on HEADBUTTS to Get his Work Done...

UNDENIABLY, Holyfield Benefited a GREAT Deal from the 3.5 Years Tyson WASN'T Boxing...DENYING this Is "Tyson Groupie" Bullshit IN REVERSE...




REED:hammert:

 

he was godawful ::

 

There's no conceivable way this is true... No case can be made at all other than a mikE fallacy about 5,000 monkeys with 5,000 scorecards cherry picked to make Holyfield a winner of 7 or more rounds

 

holyfield won the rematch. clearly. if lewis had received the rightful decision in the first fight then there would have been zero uproar over the rematch going to holyfield.

 

Exactly. It was a reaction to Lewis getting robbed in the first fight.

 

You are missing the most important factor re the odds, Holyfield's Czyz performance.

 

Holyfield lost twice, clearly, to Lewis. Period.