BOXING 101: Explain what a TRUE, ie., OPTIMAL Weight Class or Weight Range Is???...

It is indeed a coincidence, it simply hasn't come up before :dunno:

If it had, I would have the same opinion.

I'm no liar, and I can say in all honesty I would root for Cotto against Gaybox, or ANYONE else apart from Morales and possibly Pacquiao.

Especially considering he'd be a big underdog against Gaybox, and I've been a fan of Cotto since he fought on that Jones and Morales undercard in 2001, I'd feel like too much of a total chode to even contemplate rooting for Gaybox.

Again, it has nothing to do with Gaybox at all, and I really don't want to watch Cotto get crushed by Gaybox. It's only the principle of being a champion of a division.

 

HOW DARE YOU???!!! This is just UNFAIR!!!

 

Sorry but I can't argue with you on this issue either. :hair:

But I don't see it as such a big problem. Golovkin has tons of nut-riders on every message board including this one. This one just happens to have two (I think) members who are a little more experienced and rightfully don't wanna buy into the hype just yet. Therefore they are merely pointing out, that Cotto being the more marketable fighter and not being a true middleweight shouldn't necessarily HAVE to fight Golovkin in his very next fight. Being that he is a fighting all comers kinda guy he deserves a gimme at the weight or the more lucrative duel against Alverez.

Does anyone really have a problem with that? :dunno:

 

Yeah right it hasn't come up before. A situation like this is unheard of. Yet being the GGG nut-rider that you are you COINCIDENTALLY just now have to point this out.

Glad REED called you on your bullshit.

 

I think you need to re-read the threads

 

"Like I said before" if Cotto has a gimme defense in December then waits to see which match would generate maximum dollars (whether Floyd or Canelo) I wouldn't have as Stephen A. Smith says a "prahlem" with that.

It's not like we're talking about Amir Khan.

Again, if there's one active fighter today whose resume is impeccable it's Cotto. There are only a handful of guys whose resume speaks for itself. I'd say Cotto, Froch and Ward have the best resumes in boxing in terms of fighting the best in their division. Cotto and Froch would stand a level above Ward, but Ward is still in the picture because he beat everyone in the Super Six.

And I'll get another pissy fit started...Froch has had a better career than the undefeated Welsh fraud Calzaghe.

Discuss

 

Think of me as a mediator... ::

 

So if you have fought a lot of good fighters at lower weights, win or lose (in Cotto's case a loss to the biggest names) and then make a calculated "gamble" and pick off a vulnerable champion, you should be entitled to a gimme defense and your pick of big name guys coming up from a lower division in your second defense as a tribute to your long, distinguished service to boxing?

Real Madrid recently won the European Cup (or CL, if you prefer) for a record 10th time... Given their long and storied history and great service to football, I think the next few CL seasons should be put on hold while Real Madrid put the trophy on the line against clubs like Charlton Athletic, Sligo Rovers and IFK Goteborg

 

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Since you brought up soccer....

If the EPL allows the top 4 teams to play in the Champions League the year AFTER they finish in the top 4, why the hell not.

That makes no sense to me. That's like the AFC and NFC Conference champions playing in the Super Bowl the following year.

 

apples and oranges with the football, but you know that the match-making and competetition work differently there. I think in price fighting these guys should be able to maximize there income to a certain point. It's there life after all.

 

It'd be impossible any other way:scratcher:

You'd have to have the champions league in the summer basically

 

I have no problem with that, as long as people have no problem with the fighter's legacy and pedigree being questioned

I'm not telling Cotto to fight GGG, I'm saying his status as the lineal champ becomes dubious if he chooses to sit on the title and avoid him (or any other top ranked middleweight)

 

Then have a playoff system. Hell, it took the world cup what a month to finish? Wouldn't there be fewer teams in a CL playoff than the World Cup tourney?

 

Like I said in another thread...Cotto is a mor elegit champion than GGG. So is Sam Soliman.

 

Good luck with that trolling attempt - Calzaghe has about three fans on this site and not one of them, me included, would argue that he had a better career than the fighting farmer.

MTF :shit #2:

 

He's not avoiding him, as

1. He has only just become champion and
2. He plans to retire like really really really soon after 1 or 2 or 5 fights.

 

Yes and that point is arrived at via ridiculous circular logic i.e the former lineal champ wouldn't fight GGG and neither will Cotto so their refusal to fight him keeps him from achieving 'legitimacy'

 

Good luck outlining your proposals to make it 'more fair'. Dreadful post.

MTF

 

You do know that an ordinary season lasts nine months and that your 'playoff' would have to fit into the remaining three (in the odd years there isn't a summer EURO Championship or a World Cup).

Your posts on this topic are literally clueless.

MTF

 

The participating clubs would be absolutely KNACKERED by the end of it... The EPL would be won by a fully rested Crystal Palace

 

That's just It, REED SERIOUSLY DOUBTS Cotto Cares as Much about Being the "Lineal Middleweight Champion" as YOU Seem To...Cotto DIDN'T Move Up to UPHOLD the Virtues of the Lineal Middleweight Title, Dude...

Cotto Moved Up Because it PAID Well, Beating the Opponent was FEASIBLE, and HISTORICALLY Speaking, He Could Become the 1st Rican to Win Titles in 4 Weight Classes...

If Martinez WEREN'T Lineal, yet STILL Had 1 of the Other Titles @ 160, Cotto STILL Would've Fought Him...& he'd STILL Be just as Much in the Canelo/Floyd BIG MONEY Sweepstakes...The "Lineal Championship" Certainly WAS NOT a Selling Point in the Promotion of Cotto-Martinez...

Cotto's an UNDERSIZED Guy w/a Belt that Just Soooooo Happens to Be The Lineal Middleweight Championship...& Even If there WEREN'T More Attractive Options Currently SOUTH of 160, REED STILL DOUBTS Cotto Would Be Terribly Interested in Facing TRUE Middleweights...

If Canelo So Happens to Meet & Beat Cotto, There'd Be MORE of a Reason to EXPECT the "Lineal Middleweight Champion" to Uphold the Virtue of the Division, in That Instance...






REED:hammert:

 

This is mostly true but I don't understand the last line.

 

Right. What does any of this have to do with my point?

 

This really seems like a very simple situation where everybody understands Cotto's point of view if he wasn't to fight Golovkin and this whole discussion is pretty manufactured.

 

NINE...










ELEVEN!!!

 

Can't blame me for trying.

:stir:

 

You measure the size of a fighter's wrist as compared to their opposite index finger overlapping to meet the thumb of the same hand. That tells you their natural build because neither of those can ever be changed in size. Based on that you give them a number between 3 and 9. Three being a giant overlap. Nine being that the finger and thumb are nowhere near touching. Multiply that number times their height in inches minus 60. That gives you the optimal weight at which they should fight.

 

I forgot one step. Add that number to 100 and that's it in pounds. It is only accurate for men 5'5" through 6'3"

 

Here's a comparable hypothetical situation to consider:

Suppose instead of moving back down to 175 and taking on Tarver, RJJ remained at heavy-weight, but instead of taking on Lewis, or even Holyfield, he took on Guillermo Jones at heavyweight. Wouldn't that be absurd?

This is why fights with Bradley, or even Canelo, if it were to happen at 160, are stupid. But admittedly, it is a trend in boxing. It's almost like a fighter is allowed to hijack a division.