GGG vs. a prime Hopkins @ MW

How does Kazakhstan's finest fare against the Broad Street bully Bernard Hopkins?

 

One thing is for sure: it's no mmismatch.Hopkins is almost more impressive at 175 where his opponents are slower.

I know speed is a problem for every boxer, but in Hopkin's case? His whole game is out the window when his opponent has a speed advantage.

 

GGG would wake up thinking he was a girl named QQQ

She'd have to check her QQ's and move to ubekekstan and sell sausage on the street

 

Hopkins, 8-4ish type of decision

 

jury is out on these type of match ups with a very impressive yet unproven fighter vs an established great

 

Golov would get an ass whuppin.

 

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There is not nearly enough proof so far that GGG would be able to beat Hopkins, but likewise there is no proof the other way either, since GGG has hardly shown any weaknesses yet. Since Hopkins is one of the very best of the division history, chances are that he wins, but we don't know yet.

Few would pick up-and-coming Roy Jones over prime Bernard Hopkins with confidence either, yet we have seen that he was indeed the better man. For this fight, we just have to wait and see more of GGG

 

There's NOBODY at 160 for GGG to face that can give us ANY indication for how he'd fare against a prime Hopkins.

The only man he can face to give us any type of insight into this matchup is Ward.

And if Ward handles him (which I think he would), then we already know what a young Hopkins would have done to him.

I think GGG is an EXTREMELY talented offensive force. But I have a bunch he'd be in a tad too deep against prime Hopkins, Jones, Hagler, Monzon.

 

Hopkins' continues to get a massive pass for one of the weakest middleweight reigns of all time. His comp at 160 was absolute fucking garbage - he lost to the only good middleweights he ever faced (all two of them) - yet here he is, being grouped with Hagler, Monzon et al and being classed as 'one of the very best in the division's history'.

I'd pick him here, now, only because GGG is still unproven at this stage.

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Agreed.

 

jury definitely out, I agree

but I'd already class Golovkin as a superior middleweight to any of the chaps Bernard defended against

 

As much as people like to shit on Tito, I'm not 100% convinced if I'd take Golov over Tito.

I mean, let's be very honest, Tito would have obliterated Macklin, Stevens, and Geale as well.

Tito looked just as devastating against Joppy as GGG has ever looked. Then he fights Hopkins, and he's made to look totally inept.

So there's at least ONE Hopkins victim who it's questionable GGG beats.

If there any GGG victim who would have a chance against Hopkins? Ummmmmmm....... fuck no!

 

Yeah, I think that's fair

 

Gaybox would give Tito the beating of his life.

 

Golov has yet to face anybody with Tito's power, handspeed, and skill set.

Vargas, despite the fact he was a junior middleweight, was MILES better than anyone GGG has faced to date.

Would I make GGG the favorite over Tito at 160? Most likely, yes. He seems more durable, and more defensively sound.

Would I call it a sure thing? No.

 

It's definitely a bit early to predict Gaybox giving Trinidad the beating of his life

 

Tito never lost an offensive fighter. Hopkins beat him by a fighting a technical, and defensive master piece. Oscar gave him Hell with his speed and movement, and Wright beat him behind a jab and tight defense.

Tito never lost to a come forward, offensive fighter.

Granted, he never FACED a come forward offensive fighter like Golov.

But then again, Golov never faced a dynamic puncher like Tito. And no no no, that super bum Stevens doesn't count.

 

Say what you want about how weak Hopkins' 160 reign was but he faced better guys that GGG has.

Keith Holmes
William Joppy
Glen Johnson
John David Jackson

All better than anyone on GGG's resume.

Same goes for the losses to Jermain Taylor and Roy Jones.

That goes without mentioning Trinidad and De la Hoya.

 

GGG has fought no-one yet. On that I don't think anyone has too much doubt. I think there is merit in claims that the reason he has fought no-one is that he is being avoided like crazy, but his resume is thin. Definitely. That's why I'd pick Hopkins here.

However - Hopkins reigned at 160 for a decade and his best wins are a guy who arguably lost to Howard Eastman, a guy who went life and death three times with Clinton Woods, a blown up welterweight (who's signature win at the weight was a guy who arguably lost to Howard Eastman) and a cheating transsexual. His middleweight resume is fucking rank - he fought precisely TWO proper world level middleweights and he record against them was 0-3.

Picking Bernard is the sensible pick because of his body of work overall and because GGG is still unproven. But I repeat - Nard's middleweight resume is fucking dogshit and I cannot possibly conceive how or why people rank him so highly at that weight.

MTF

 

John David Jackson? The guy was a career light-middle, was about 34 when Hopkins fought him and was coming off two losses in his previous five fights. The fact that he is a 'standout win' on Hopkins middleweight resume just shows how absolutely dismal that resume is.

MTF

 

Xplosive and cdogg, I get what you guys are saying. He has fought no one. I guess even Joppy is better than anyone he has fought.

I know you never can tell, until someone faces an elite fighter, but my hunch is Gaybox is one of the best fighters in the world. And if I had to bet on it, I'd bet on Gaybox beating the shit out of Tito.

I agree it's obviously too early to tell how he'd do against Hopkins though.

 

I'm not sure Joppy beats Macklin to be honest. He probably does, but he would be no lock. Joppy was crap.

MTF

 

Like I said, I'd make him the favorite.

Golov is bigger than Tito, he's physical stronger, he varies his attack better, likely has a better chin, and he's more defensively responsible.

HOWEVER, due to Tito's brutal power, his fast hands, and his above average accuracy and offensive skill, he'd be a live dog.

 

You are confusing 'Tito the excellent welterweight' with 'Tito the bang-average middleweight'. His KO wins at 160 were Joppy, who was crap and who hardly had a great chin, Cherifi, who was KO-ed loads of time including against the aforementioned crap William Joppy and Mayo, who was never a middleweight in his life.

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Tito utilized more of his skills at 147-154, and his peak weight was 154, but he was still a big puncher at 160.

Has GGG been hit with a guy with Tito's power? No.

 

Muzse with John David Jackson, LOL

Fuck's sake

I'd pick GGG to take that one in about 3 rounds tops

 

Benn was a big puncher at 160. G-man was a big puncher at 160. Tito was a murderous puncher at 147 and a good puncher at 160. No more than that IMO.

I agree with your general point, though. GGG's chin is completely unknown and untested. It might be garbage for all we know.

MTF

 

One of Hopkins' best wins. Says a lot.

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That one was for you.

What was the weight when they weighed in? Are you saying Jackson wasn't a true middleweight?

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