|||THE OFFICIAL||| Discussion thread: Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao

I'm drinking juice now.

 

did you shake the carton first

 

I did actually.

 

Pac might be selling orange juice in Orlando next month!!

 

With his and Floyd's face on the cartons to promote the fight?

 

:: :bears:

 

Manny Pacquiao just bought P. Diddy's old Beverly Hills mansion, with everything inside it, for the cheap price of $12.6 million.


http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/14/manny-pacquiao-home-buys-diddy-mansion-beverly-hills-house-photos/

 

Pacquaio achieves through God. Floyd feels blessaged. God will have his work cut out come May 2nd.

 

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First three guys he calls out, "Freetass", Hamed and Casamayor. He fought none of them.

Next three guys he mentions, Spadafora, "Castillio" and Tszyu, he fought one of them.

Next guys he mentions are Grant Elvis Phillips and God.

Next guys are Stevie Johnston and Juan Lazcano. He fought neither of them. God gets a mention again.

He then claims to have fought all these guys in the past, and that these guys don't want to fight him.

Then he mentions Gatti. Whom he did fight.

He then mentions Kostya Tszyu and Arturo Gatti as the best guys out there. He fought Gatti.


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Not exactly fair to mention Hamed, like he wanted anything to do with Floyd ::

Floyd would have busted him up in 1 sided fashion and stopped him.

But other than that minor nitpick, I agree, for a guy with Floyd's obscene talent/skill level, I think his resumé is pretty shit.

 

I didn't mention Hamed. Floyd did. ::

Yes, Hamed wanted nothing to do with him, but Floyd had God.

If you were to draw a ratio for talent:competition:available competition, with 1 being the best, and 10 being the worst, then floyds talent:comp:available comp ratio would be like

1: 5: 2

Superb talent, very careful timing on the guys he did fight, big question marks over the guys he had fuck all to do with, from a very rich vein of available talent.

Sure, he fought Shane and Cotto..........years after he should have.

I am not attributing blame or fault, as to why fights didn't get made, but he remains a superbly talented boxer who could have fought a lot of brilliant guys, or brilliant guys who had more to offer, and didn't.

 

mayweather jr and cotto couldve easily fought when both were at 140lbs with arum. it wasnt mayweather jr who didnt want the fight

 

Like I said, I attribute no blame, but the fact that Cotto suddenly wants to fight the guy twice says that Cotto may be happy to fight anybody for money, especially where the alternative to fighting Floyd for money is fighting GGG for a certain asswhipping and less money.

 

For him. He might pocket like $100 million on May 02.

 

Cotto, in the first of only two instances that he has ever done it, called out Floyd many years before they fought and Floyd replied that Miguel had to first make a name for himself before he could consider him as an opponent.

“When you call yourself the best boxer in the world you have to fight with the best. There are other names at 147 pounds and if Mayweather does not have the courage to get in the ring to fight with me, my career has to continue. I won’t wait for him.” –Miguel Cotto 2008

 

Finally the Vegas odds have closed as Floyd is a now 2-1 favorite the last time I checked. I was beginning to think it was just me, that thought that this was a pickem type of fight.

I don't know which way this will go to be honest. There are scenarios where both can win the fight. As far as Floyd is concerned, I think Floyd could pick him apart from the outside. This is the popular belief, however this is the first time in Floyds' career he has no discernible advantage in handspeed or footspeed. This can make a huge difference.

So with that being said, who will control the center of the ring? If we are looking at the fight in favour of Floyd, I look at the Algeri fight (and the Bradley 2 somewhat) fights. If that is any indication, Manny is still susceptible to right hands, and I expect Floyd to throw a good dose mixed in with jabs to keep Manny at bay. Also Manny still leaves his feet throwing combinations which is extremely dangerous against Floyd. However, from what I have been hearing Floyd seems to be focusing on power. Reports of dropping sparring partners with bodyshots, and wood chopping have surfaced in the last few days.

Which leads me to believe Floyd is going to be sitting down on punches. If thats the case, was Roach right that Floyds' legs are in decline at Floyd realizes this? If Floyd does believe this, I can see Floyd getting control of the center of the ring, by throwing jabs quick lead rights and tying Manny up. Even trying to walk Manny back. Floyd has the physical strength/quickness/ and reflexes to do this. What leads me to believe this is that in the second Maidana fight I noticed Floyd initiated clinches. I have never seen Floyd do that in my life. Floyd just cares about winning, and I don't think he has any qualms about winning ugly.

Also Floyd probably wants to do more damage when he is on the defensive, because he knows he cannot keep up with Mannys' workrate so he needs something to back Manny up with, it lessens the burden of having to throw more punches and it scores more impressively with the judges and it cuts down Mannys' workrate. Killing two birds with one stone. I think Floyd knows that potshotting Manny won't blunt his attack like it does average fighters, he definately needs more on his punches.

However if we are looking at Manny controlling the center of the ring, if I am in Mannys' camp though, I.m probably happy about hearing this, because Floyd is more of a stationary target. It will make his decisive advantage in footspeed more pronounced, and he'll be able to land cleaner shots, and I don't think Manny concerned Floyds' power(he's faced harder punchers eg. Cotto) or his size as he's faced bigger guys for years. Manny has an extremely strong lower base, your'e just not going to bully Manny, considering how athletic he is one top of that.

So, I can also see a scenario similar to Calzaghe/Hopkins were a fast combination puncher(Manny) flusters a defensive mastermind(Floyd) and gets the decision/win. Only this time the aggressor is Calzaghe to the nth degree, being levels above in terms of power/accuracy/competition/speed, basically everything.

Now with that being said, considering the stages they are in their career, what also needs to be addressed is the elephant in the room which is age. I just think Manny just looks like the fresher fighter at this stage despite getting KO'd by JMM. Whether that has to do with their opposition is also something that bears consideration as well. Now that's not going to say Manny is going to win, but its just hard to ignore, especially since Manny is an aggressive fighter and has a style that judges seem to like.

I think this fight will go down to the wire, and the decision will probably be controversial. Can't say I can even make a pick till fight time.

 

Neither side cared to make the fight when it would have been best, in 2008 at 147. Cotto talked about this during the build-up to their fight in 2012.

But Cotto ended up fighting Margarito, Clottey, and Pacquiao in the 2008-09 period, while Floyd fought Marquez, so at least Cotto gave us great matchups in place of the Mayweather fight

 

In the centre of the ring Floyd being stationary is still in a better place defensively than most fighters can manage with their legs. Marquez even as a featherweight never had great wheels, just subtle movement and was always positioned to either lead or counter. Pacquiao will look to attack darting in and out the same way against Floyd. There's no question about it and it will not change because it can't. Mayweather is going to use that blueprint and it's an advantage to him because that's naturally what he does anyway.

 

If this shit ends up like Zaghe/Hopkins it might possibly be the worst super-fight ever

 

I keep picturing a big early lead for Pacquiao.

 

Like most defenses, PBF's is predicated on keeping his opponent in front of him. I still recall roger imploring pbf to keep castillo in front of him. Therefore, if pacquiao can launch attacks from alternative angles, as he is apt to do, the reliability of pbf's defense we've all come to expect comes under question.

 

Pacquiao moving side to side quickly and launching attacks from the side/different angles is one of his best assets. Hopefully it works well against Floyd, and he's still agile enough to make it work.

 

good point, Floyd like it when it's a textbook boxing match or a by the book pressure fighter.
the more i think about it, the more i think Pac will pull the upset

 

:like:

Feeling more and more confident of mayweather jrs chances

 

Whoring for attention as per usual I see.

Now fuck off. I'm here to talk boxing with grown up, not get into a e-beef with some random bitch.

 

:crying:

if its any consolation i give you the benefit of the doubt as the less daft of the two siblings

 

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If the fight goes the distance (98% chance)and Floyd is not hurt at any time, he will get an UD, but if Manny was the clear winner, we will get a controversial draw decision.