Kovalev vs. Pascal thread...

I would INTERRUPT my viewing of "The Ron LeFlore Story" re-runs just to watch Kovalev.

 

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How the fuck does a guy from Ireland even know or care who Ron LeFlore is/was? That shit always makes me laugh ... Did you just google "movies that whitewash the negative aspects of semi-famous black guys", watch the silly feel good film and start frothing at the mouth "damn you liberals!!!!" ??? How on earth did you hear about Ron LeFlore?

Ron LeFlore, despite his great speed, was an awful outfielder... He was a really good player otherwise for 4 or 5 years after he got out of jail

 

I saw it on ITV in the early 1990's and I also read a lot.

 

I'd say there's a 99% chance that if you are American and any younger than me, you wouldn't know Ron LeFlore from Ron Howard and you certainly wouldn't know there was a cheesy movie about him

 

what if you were some gaelic creep obsessed with american culture?

 

Not surprisingly, LeFlore got his tryout for The Tigers largely by chance when a fellow inmate locked up for various organized crime transgressions raved about him to his pal (who happened to be Billy Martin, then managing Detroit)

The only thing less surprising than Billy Martin having a friend in the numbers racket would be Pete Rose having one

 

, how completely delusional you are.

A prime Eubank is probably even money with Pascal. His victory over Dawson is way better than anything this Eubank chap achieved. Really shows that you're struck in infancy that you still idolize these 2 good (Eubank and Benn) but not great fighters. Not to mention that Eubank was a coward who barely fought anyone.

What's funny with Pascal is that he did about as good with Hopkins than Calzaghe (first fight should have gone to Pascal, cause a legit KD wasn't counted) and have a beaten a better fighter than Calz ever did (prime Dawson trump a prime Kessler), yet everyone say that Pascal is a bum and Calzaghe is a legend. Pascal would be more respected on this site if he never challenged himself and fought the Bute and Diaconu of this world (and looked impressive doing so), like Calzaghe did. Sad that so called boxing fan defend this coward instead of deriding him.

 

The thing with Calzaghe is that if he was as keen to prove his greatness as his fans are to proved his, we wouldn't be having his discussion.

Anyway, a guy who robbed Robbin Reid and had a close controversial decision with a decrepit Hopkins is not beating Kovalev

 

Don't be ridiculous, Doorson is a scrub. He has a 50% win rate post Pascal, put it that way. Eubank stopping a prime Benn is a much better win.

Eubank was an excellent fighter, a prime Eubank would have beaten Pascal comfortably, he was better in every way.

 

Dawson was a quality fighter when Pascal beat him. Had wins over Adamek, Tarver (x2) and glen johnson (x2) (you know, the guy your hero Calzaghe avoided a million times by faking injuries, not to mention that Dawson beats Hokins a lot more confortably tha him also).

Who cares about his win percentage post Pascal, he has some tremendous names on his resume
don't be ridiculous. Agains, it shows me that you rate more highly an undefeated record than qualty of opposition. Dawson was better than Benn.
Only people who lives in England thinks that this Eubank clown was something special. For anyone else, he's a good decent fighter that seems to had his feet stuck in cement, and a broom up his ass.

 

Only an idiot would doubt Eubank is excellent fighter, and one that would beat the likes of Pascal. Yeah his resumé leaves something to be desired, but then so does Aaron Pryor's and he's held in very high esteem and considered an ATG.

It's obvious Eubank is better than Pascal, you only need to watch a few of their fights to see that, just like it's obvious Golovkin is better than every middleweight on the planet.

 

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As i said, it's easy to look impressive when you only fight b and c level guy. Not long ago, people on here were hyping Bute as the next best thing, and saying he would beat Pascal easily. Which shows the average knowledge in here. Pascal is clearly a better fighter than Eubanks, he's more accomplished and have a lot more balls that this cowardly brit. Not to mention that he would have wiped his ass with Ray Close. It's easy to look impressive when you fight the garbage that he fought. Not to mention that he neeeded the help of the judge to beat a lot of this questionable opposition. If Pascal only fought this kind of opposition, he would have had a long title reign.

 

Hokins, brought to you by wald pussy.

 

No, Pascal is not a better fighter than Eubank. That is like saying Jermain Taylor is better than Golovkin because you prefer his resumé.

How is Eubank cowardly anyway? Have you seen him fight? He's tough as fuck, and has balls. He became weird and gunshy post Watson, but despite that put in a fucking gutsy performance against Thompson.

As if Benn and Watson are B and C level guys ::

And no, it was obvious Boot was shit even before he got destroyed by Frock.

And no, if Pascal fought the kind of opposition Eubank fought, he would not have a long title reign, as he would been beaten by most of the good fighters that Eubank fought.

Pascal couldn't even beat Frock or old as fuck Hopkins (who your boy Calzaghe beat clearly, a much better version too). Eubank and Calzaghe would have wiped their arses with an average world level guy like Pascal.

 

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Eubanks was barely above the level of Eric Lucas. Good competent local fighter, who can't cut it at the world level and was cowardly in his choice of opponents. Pascal wouldn't need questionable decision to beat the Ray close and Sugar boy Malinga of this world. He's clearly a better fighter. Sad that your euro biais makes you unable to recognise this

 

Eubank overall is very overrated.

Much as I hate Calz, I don't think ANY version of Eubank would have beaten him.

Plus Eubank shamelessly ducked Toney, McCallum, and Nunn, knowing full well he would have lost to them.

Having said that, he was a better fighter than Pascal, and would have beaten him. But it woulda been competitive.

Kov would have stopped Eubank.

 

What a fun fight to watch!

 

As I said, Pascal wouldn't have needed the help of the judges to beat sugar boy malinga and Ray close. Pacal wins over Diacionu, Bute, Dawson and his draw against Hopkins trumps anything that Eubanks did.

To any unbiased observer, it's clear that Pascal is several cut above Eubanks.

 

We've been posting together for like a decade or so, you know full well I have no "euro bias".

I've actually known Chris and his brothers for years, so if anyone should have a bias, it's me, but that has absolutely nothing to do with it. The guy could flat out fight, if you'd see him fight in his prime, against Benn and Watson, you'd know this.

at Eric Lucas. You're talking utter shit, as per usual.

The ironic thing is you calling me biased, you're the most biased person on here. If you don't like someone, that's it, you think they're a total scrub, and have no objectivity whatsoever, as is clearly the case with Calzaghe and Eubank.

I don't like Calzaghe at all, never have done, the difference is it's obvious the guy could fight, I'm capable of looking at him objectively, you're not, you're too clouded with hate and canadian bias.

 

Eric Lucas :mut:

 

Seriously, the guy has no idea what he's talking about ::

 

I judge Calzaghe accordingly. always said that he's about at the same level than Froch , which is pretty high praise considering how I view Froch. The thing is, unlike most on this site, I have a memory, I don't only rebember his best performance, and I tend to accord more importance to quality of oppositon

 

One thing for sure, Lucas wouldm't have needed the help of the judge to beast Ray Close. but seriously, it's true that he was garbage. Eubanks was a better fighter than him, but Eubanks would sure have struggled with him, cause he struggled with any half decent fighter.

The thing is, I don't hate Eubanks. But your inability to realise that he gamed the system, is the reason why you rate him so highly. The guy was more than a bit of a fraud.

 

No, you've said numerous times Frock is better, and would beat Calzaghe.

 

I rate him highly for the exact same reason I rate Golovkin highly and many other fighters, I have two eyes, and I can therefore see how good they are at fighting.

Prime Eubank is one of the best British fighters ever. Yeah his resumé is disapponting for a fighter as good as he is, and unfortunately Watson affected him a lot. Post Watson, he was weird and gunshy, and just not as good a fighter. But pre Watson, Eubank was an excellent fighter.

 

Yes, I said Froch would win a close one. I'm not saying he is light years better. They are about the same level of fighters. If Calzaghe had faced the same quality of oppositon than him, he wouldn't be rated as highly, cause he would have lost a few also. Sad that on this site, most rewards fighters for avoiding real competitions.