Miguel Cotto (who is skinny) vs. Daniel Geale (who re-hydrated 25 lbs) fight thread

'the result would have been the same' is the line that makes catch weight fights ok

 

Yep. Shit or get off the pot. I like Cotto but this stuff leaves a bad taste in one's mouth

 

Part of it is being a fan of the fight, part of it is being a fan of that type of behaviour.

It's celebrity "culture", boxing style.......................guys vicariously live out their own ideals and their own fantasies.

It's Princess Diana stuff, basically.

Guys worship Jay Z, the Hop Hip mentality, and they aspire to financially raping people, to being "the man", the man with "leverage".


"Hey yo yo yo did you see they brought that boy down to 157 and beat the shit out of him and paid him nothing yo yo yo, Cotto is a G, and Jay-Z is a G...fuck GGG if he wants some he can come down to 155 and take chump-change and he will get his too yo yo yo yo"

It's not hard to pull off, especially when its given a veneer of respectability by schleppers like Max Kellerman.

Smoke and mirrors..........it hurts Geale MORE to campaign at 157 than it does Cotto to campaign "30 lbs North".....

Cotto might have come in at 140, but he was probably 150 by fight time in any event.

 

If the result "Would have been the same", then why make a catchweight....

 

This is a key point. Guys like Lampley and Kellerman like to credit fighters for these types of negotiations, as if it's all part of the game. In doing so, they legitimize this tactic and surprise surprise....we see more and more of it.

 

Irish, your ping on this seems a little naive and idealistic.

It's human nature, and competitive sports nature, to try and gain every advantage possible over your opponent.

PEDs, boiling down to min weight class you can, purse split, choice of gloves, choice of location/venue, even psychological warfare - all key factors in gaining whatever advantage you can over your opponent. Dictacting the weight is simply one more.

And one more thing, if Geale had been allowed to weigh in 3 pounds heavier, what do you think would have happened? He would have lasted till round 5 maybe?

 

Again I ask the question............if it made no difference, why insist on it.

I think thats 5 times now and NO answer, not even an attempt to answer it.

 

Irish, the answer is in the post you just quoted, it's blatantly fucking obvious, it doesn't even need to be asked.

 

No...you said it made no difference therefore there was no advantage, so if there is no advantage, why do it......

 

Again, the answer is in my post, it's obvious - you're now just arguing semantics, like a child.

 

"There was no need to do it, it made no difference, we did it out of spite and because we could".


Is that the reasoning..............


I understand you may do things to gain an advantage. If there is no advantage to be gained, and we know there is no advantage to be gained as there would have been NO CHANGE to the outcome of the fight, then it is done for reasons separate to or apart from the gaining an advantage.

Those reasons are explained by spite, malice, being a cunt.

"We're better than this guy, he's coming off a beating, let's hurt him even more then pay him fuck all".

Viva America Bidness Model- they rape you then pour rubbing alcohol into your bot-bot.

 

I mean, fuck it, why not break the guys arm before the fight.............just in case like..............gain every advantage and all.

And the same people piss and moan about Klitschko leaning on people.

I ain't never seen a ref take a point off a dude for dragging his man down to 157..................

 

I predict next up will be mouthguard stipulations...make opponents wear a really shitty mouthguard that inhibits breathing and hurts their lips

 

Well, I mean, every advantage, dog eat dog, etc.

 

The WBC said the lower weight is a contractual issue and they couldn't do anything about it. To some extent, I agree. However, should a mandatory go to bid, then the sanctioning bodies should take any weight negotiation off the table.

If weight negotiation outside of the weight classes was not permitted, we'd miss out on a lot of fights.

 

This thread makes it hard to tell who the bigger pussies are when it comes to Cotto avoiding GGG, Cotto or his fans.

 

such as?

 

He did it because he could.

I don't recall this kind of talk when Floyd did it to Canelo or Manny did it to Cotto. No one gives a shit about Geale. This is about GGG fans whinging because they know Cotto and Canelo are bigger draws and would make a far bigger fight.

James Degale has a shiny new belt at 168. Go win a belt at 168, he won't lose his 160 title in the process. Instead of GGG and his fans bitching about two guys coming up to fight him, go out and build a fanbase which justifies your own PPV box office legitimacy rather than gloming off Canelo's and Cotto's.

 

Yup. Seems obvious that just because what is a factor in negotiations won't be a factor in the fight, doesn't mean that the better fighter won't seek every advantage they can get anyway.

 

Exactly. As I said, it's human nature to try and gain any perceived/potential advantage, if you can.

Especially in competitive sports where it's all about winning, if course a fighter is going to do whatever he can to ensure victory, even if that victory seems likely anyway. It's so obvious it really doesn't need to be asked.

 

THIS...

The Onus ISN'T on Cotto OR Canelo to Assist GGG In Building his Legacy....It's On GGG to Do WHATEVER it Takes (Including Moving Up to '68, if Necessary) to Legitimize Himself...




REED:hammert:

 

GGG is legitimate. He's got 20 straight KO's or some shit.

Cotto should be debarred from using the term "Middleweight".

 

I predict that in his next fight GGG will once again fight a complete BUM....N his groupies here and at HBO will praise it ass a destructive victory over a very capable opponent.

 

okay but when your TOP 5 victories in your resume includes names like Gabriel ROsado, Curtis Stevens n Kassim Ouma....your team is really not trying to push you...

 

He's fighting one every 4 months and I admire the activity "HOWEVER" fighting at that clip doesn't give time to promote a real fight. And yes, basically GGG is Antonio Margarito pre-Mosley. Most avoided man on the planet.

 

Yep...

GGG's Resume is ABYSMAL & Relying on the Lame, Played Out "Nobody Will Fight Him" Routine DOESN'T Wash...Considering his AGE & AMOUNT of Fights, GGG's Resume is CRIMINALLY Subpar, Considering the Level of HYPE he Gets...




REED:baa:

 

Don't say that too loud. cdoGGG will hear you.

 

List of Current Fighters YOUNGER than GGG, w/As Many (or FEWER) Bouts, & SUPERIOR Resumes:

Kovalev
Lara
Crawford
Khan
Broner (Yes MWS, Even Broner has a BETTER Resume than GGG )
Thurman
Garcia
Walters
Porter
Bradley

If this Doesn't FULLY Encapsulate just How OVERHYPED Dude Is, NATHAN Will...




REED:baa:

 

He did it because it made for an easier fight for him, not simply because "he could". And there was a lot of bitching when Canelo and Dawson were forced to drained down to fight an higher profiled opponent (at least, from my side). It cheapens the sport and tilt the scale (even more, in a game already fucking corrupted) in favor of the better connected fighter. It has nothing to do with GGG (who, I agree, should move up to 168 if he can't get a high profile fight at mw), but Cotto case is especially absurd. Considered the champion at a weight division, yet never let his opponents fight at the limit of the division (even more ridiculous when you consider the next lower division is just 6lbs south).

 

Lara is calling out GGG. Why not make that fight? :dunno: