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Err, no, they are not elite fighters and we never said they were.

Robbie Lawler on the other hand, is. He's on an impressive run of beaten top ranked fighters, and is a consensus top 10 pound for pounder - ie he's an elite fighter.

 

Tito got embarrassed by every elite fighter he faced, the current version of Lawler didn't - simple.

 

You act like Miller was some low level scrub. The dude was a competent fighter during most of his career. I watched him grapple on relatively even terms with Jacare and Shields. He actually beat Tim Kennedy. The idea that he submitted Lawler isn't some huge black mark on Lawler's resume anymore than it is for Kennedy.

And if you don't think fighting in a weight class 15 pounds heavier isn't a difference, then you really can't be reasoned with.

All I know if the Lawler of today has beaten 3 very good welterweights in Brown, Hendricks and MacDonald. Hendricks is a guy that probably deserved the decision against the great GSP and Lawler took the title from him.

This isn't some weak time in the welterweight division. Rory MacDonald is absolutely an exceptional fighter. He was the heir apparent to GSP's throne. And Hendricks is a guy that probably would have ended GSP's reign. Lawler has beaten them both in back-to-back fights.

 

Nope, didn't say that.

My position is if you go on a good enough run to make it into the top 10 pound for pound, and especially beat an elite fighter, you're obviously an elite fighter yourself.

Being the champ is just one of the criteria Robbie fills.

Solid run of top fighters - yes.

Beat a proven elite fighter - yes.

Champ - yes

Robbie ticks all the boxes to be an elite fighter, not just one.

 

So elite!

LMAO!

 

Quick question, is Cain Velasquez elite?

 

Yep. If that's not a good run, what is?

Lawler beat the guy that arguably beat GSP, yet he acts like Lawler is some basic scrub that GSP would have "destroyed". And also, he's a Robbie "fan" ::

He also acted like all Lawler had was power. Yet, he's not actually that powerful, and beat Brown, Hendricks, and Rory with his overall striking ability and TD defense, it's not like he knocked them TFO with 1 punch.

Then Anthony said actually, the only reason he beat those guys is his chin, not power afterall :scratcher:

 

Buster Douglas had elite ability, but didn't really get to the top. He got one flukish win. Lawler's recent one is far more than one flukish win.

Tito lost to every elite fighter he faced, in 1 sided fashion. He's the classic guy that looks like a beast against merely "good" opponents, then gets clowned against true elite fighters.

 

If you're a top 5 welterweight in the UFC, you're very good.

Saffedine is good. Rick Story is good. Damien Maia is good. Matt Brown is very good.

 

Brown is actually there because he's won 8 fights in the UFC's welterweight division since 2012 while Nick Diaz hasn't won a single fight in that period.

 

No, Tito wasn't arguably #2 on a P4P list. He was horrendously overrated based on destroying average fighters.

Tito would be elite if he didn't get embarrassed by every elite fighter he faced, yeah. As it stands, the real elite fighters let us know loud and clear that Tito wasn't, in fact, a true elite fighter.

You also listed one of the most flukey instances of a fighter getting to the top. A super motivated douglas, against a flat, untrained Tyson. It was a one in a million fight.

Clearly not the same as Robbie's recent run. Yes, run, not one flukish fight.

 

Exactly. And that's precisely why I would pick Robbie in a rematch.

Diaz is basically a joke these days. Talks a load of shit and pulls lots of mean mug faces, only to get in the cage, ponce around, give it the big one, and get beaten up. He hasn't won a fight since 2011 ffs.

 

Nah, I don't even think Tito was top 10 P4P. I think there were always 10 fighters in any weight that would have beaten him.

 

Yeah OK Tito nuthugger :atu:

So elite! Here's the punchstats of Anthony's #2 P4P!







Speaking of not knowing what one's talking about, in addition to not knowing what the fuck you're talking about regarding Tito (#2 P4P :atu: ) you literally have no idea what you're talking about regarding Lawler.

First it's all he has is power. Then all he has is chin. Then it's a combination of chin, toughness, and power. Make your fucking mind up innit.

 

Dude, theres no way to know what the situation would be if GSP kept fighting. There is absolutely no guarantee that he'd still be champ. Over the last 2 years GSP could have been knocked out by Hendricks in a rematch and retired anyway.

 

GSP was the greatest welterweight of all time, but he was declining at the end. I think it's likely he would have lost in the last couple years if he had continued fighting. I'm glad he went out as champion instead of fighting too long like Anderson Silva or BJ.