Rigondeaux vs Lomachenko

That's exactly what I said further up.

TBH I'm not even convinced he regressed. It was a bit of a coincidence this regression happened the moment he started fighting guys his own size.

I think the main factor was him fighting bigger guys and being unable to hurt them. When that happened, you realised how limited his style was, and that he's not really as good as advertised.

At one point I saw him ranked like #2 P4P. He was very overrated.

Exactly, as soon as his power was less potent in the higher weight class, it became very apparent he didn't have much to fall back on.

 

same thing that happened to donaire will happen to walters as he goes up to lightweight.

 

After his most recent fight, I have to say I agree. He is one big, powerful featherweight, and in his recent fight it was only size and power that won him the fight.

Once he fights guys his own size, he won't be anywhere near as effective.

 

And what REED is Saying is, You and Others WEREN'T Necessarily ACCURATE In Your Assessments Either...Yet, that Seems to Be Prevailing Wisdom by Those DISMISSING Rigondeaux's Schooling of Donaire, While Picking Lomachenko in the Same Breath...




REED:mj:

 

As far as decline goes, maybe not. As me, Neil and Xplosive have just been saying, it was more about the size of opponents and his power having less effect than anything.

You're getting defensive about it denigrating Gondo's performance, it's not about that - don't you remember I jumped firmly on the Gondo bandwagon after the fight, and thought it was an amazing performance? Meanwhile Noble started hating him and calling Rigandolf etc ::

One thing is for sure though, Donaire has looked largely average since moving up in weight.

I guarantee you - win or lose - Chenko will look several levels above Donaire when he fights Gondo.

 

But that's just It, Donaire MOVED UP to '26, Right After Losing to Rigondeaux @ '22...

Sooooo, You Could just as Easily Say he Lost Due to SIZE (@ the Higher Weight), as Opposed to Being In "Decline"...When Donaire & Rigondeaux Met, Donaire Fought as he ALWAYS Fought, he was just In w/a BETTER Foe That Night...More Importatnly, Rigondeaux is a Natural 118 Pounder Anyways, so Donaire's Customer Size ADVANTAGE was in Full Effect...

Nonetheless, After that Loss, he Moved Up to '26...No RE or Anything...

Diminishing Rigondeaux's Win Over Donaire is Most CERTAINLY a "Slight", Bro...It's Like Saying "No Offense, But...", or "Don't Take this Wrong Way, BUT..."



REED:mj:

 

REED Gave Donaire the Benefit of a Late Knockdown, but Otherwise NAILED that Bout...




REED:mj:

 

The Only Thing REED is 'Defensive" about is the Notion Nonito was in "Decline" Going Into his Fight w/Rigondeaux...

There is NO Evidence of That, Based on HOW Donaire Fought AND the Fact he Had his Usual Size ADVANTAGE...

Remains to Be Seen How Lomachenko Looks vs. Rigondeaux...This AIN'T Gary Russell we're Talking about...


REED:mj:

 

you probably didn't even go to collegE

 

Gondo is the sensible pick here. No doubt about that I think in my mind. He's proven more and is more experienced. I'm a massive Loma fan and have been for years as he wiped the floor with opponents in the ammy ranks but I think this fight is too early for him.

MTF

 

Agreed, I think Gondo is the rightful favourite for sure, and the more proven fighter.

But I've been a big Chenko believer since I first saw him, so I'm sticking with him. I think he's on Gondo's level, and bigger.

 

Call it what you will - declined, bigger opponents, never great to begin with - but Donaire had looked nothing special in recent fights. He hadn't looked like a top fighter for over 2 years.

The thing with Gondo - Donaire is most of us underrated Gondo. I thought he was skilled, but small and chinny. It turns out the guy is a little wizard, and even if he is somewhat chinny, it doesn't matter much as his defense is off the charts.

 

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Only someone who goes to collegE and has a firm grasp of statisticS knows the true meaning of the word elitE.

 

Hut apparently doesn't know about your retard definition and contortion when it comes to elite on the mma board. You don't have that same excuse, you're just ___________. Fill in the blank with a word that means stupid.

"Tito was never elite, Robbie Lawler is." That's mws in a nutshell.

 

It's easy to understand, Tito was proven to NOT be elite, by real elite fighters.

Robbie just beat an elite fighter in Hendricks, it's that simple, you fucking dullard.

 

Just to Clarify, Do You Mean the 2 Years LEADING UP to the Rigondeaux Bout???...




REED:mj:

 

alm:

Here we Go Again...

Fernando Vargas wasn't "Elite"???...Tito Beat the BRAKES Off Vargas, who Beat Ike Quartey MORE Convincingly than DeLa Did...

To Say Trinidad "Never Beat an Elite Fighter" is Flat Out FALSE, Bro....

REED:dunno:

 

I don't think he is a true elite fighter no. Borderline elite sure, like Tito. Tito proved to be the better of the 2 head to head.

I've always been a big fan of Nando, but no, I don't consider he was a true elite fighter.

Against true elite fighters like Oscar and Hopkins, Tito got clowned and made to look like a 1 dimensional scrub.

 

With Tito it's simple enough.

Was he world class? Yes.

Did he look beastly against sub elite fighters who weren't quite good enough to expose his limitations? Yes.

Was he ever the best fighter in his division? No.

Was he ever one of the 10 best fighters in the world? No.

Did he get clowned in 1 sided fashion by all the elite fighters he fought? Yes he fucking did.

So therefore, was he an elite fighter himself? No.

Let's not pullute this good thread with talk of mud footed Tito, if you wanna talk about Tito, start a new thread.

 

When Tito "Beat" DeLa and Moved Up to '54, Vargas and David Reid were the ONLY Jr. Middles that Mattered...And Tito Beat BOTH of Them, Handily...

REED Gets it, You LOATHE Trinidad and/Or the HYPE he Got @ Secondsout (Which WAS Admittedly Unbearable @ Times, Given the T-Rex Armed HAND-JOBS Cupey Gave Tito on a DAILY Basis), but that Doesn't Mean Dude was LESS than an Elite Fighter...

Trinidad was CLEARLY an Elite Fighter, Bro...Especially if Robbie Lawler Qualifies, in MMA...




REED:mj:

 

agREED...


Rigondeaux-Lomachenko Talk DOESN'T Need to Be Hijacked by Arguments Involving Other Fighters AND Sports, FFS...



REEDartie:

 

No surprise it was that repressed homosexual mikE that started it. He should really be banned, for just hanging around like a bad smell, like the obnoxious cunt he is.

 

This fight intrigues me.

But I'm fairly confident that Lomachenko will pull this one off. I think his size, footwork, and power will definitely be big factors in this fight. Lets not forget that Rigo has not only been dropped before, but he has been hurt and I think against Loma, that would prove fatal because I don't think he'll be left off the hook.

This will be competitive. Two ELITE boxing talents of this current generation going at it. This fight will start out slow early, but I think by the mid rounds, Loma's advantages will start to rule the day and I do see him stopping Rigo within 10 rounds.

I hope this fight happens. The sport NEEDS it.

 

In terms of opponents, none of them. Not a single one of them fight like Rigondeaux. The same thing goes the other way though, none of Rigondeaux's opponents are on the same level or similar to Lomachenko. Both guys are wonderful boxers and it'll be a fight that has the purists salivating. Any predictions should be based off of either fighters OBVIOUS skill set rather than their resumes, that's my point.

 

I just pointed out that you don't have a clue what elite means. You don't. Lawler elite, Donaire and Tito not elite. You're an idiot with a manly interest in my sexuality and a simpleton's vocabulary. No offense.

 

That's right mikE, I am manly, and you're not. Thanks for admitting that, you repressed homosexual with the IQ of a fencepost and a strangly compulsive need to be a contrarian dolt on a message board.

Hilariously inaccurate attempted dig at my vocabulary by the way, you truly pulled that one out of your repressed homosexual rectum. My vocabulary exceeds yours by some margin, as does my command of English, statisticS boy.

 

That's just It, Nonito Donaire WAS on a Higher Level than Lomachenko Currently Is, @ the Time of the Rigondeaux Bout...Both in Terms of Accomplishments AND Reputation Amongst Hardcore Fans/Writers...

Granted, they Fight NATHAN Alike & Lomachenko is BIGGER and STRONGER, but REED Thinks it's VERY Premature to Label Lomachenko of TODAY as a Higher Level Caliber of Fighter than the Donaire Rigondeaux Fought...






REED:mj:

 

I DO!!! He will school overrated Lomachenko in a boresfest 12 rounds UD.

 

Yeah, like saying Trinidad was not elite. alm:

 

Is Orlando Salido a better boxer than Rigo?? No? he still defeated Loma. You'll say 'oh, that was in his second fight, when he was still green' I'll answer that was just last year and three fights later he is STILL too green to beat a superior boxer/puncher like Rigo.