Rigondeaux vs Lomachenko

Whilst resumes and opponents are a good indicator of a fighters standing, I don't like the way they seem to be used as a 'be-all and end-all' factor on here when determining the winner of a fight. If fighter A is battling fighter B, for example, and fighter A has fought better opponents or bigger names, then the consensus opinion tends to be that fighter A wins, purely on that fact alone, which to me is absurd. It doesn't take into account stylistic advantages or disadvantages, or other factors which may come into play.

Regarding Donaire, I will happily hold my hands up and say that I overrated the guy, I thought he was a much better fighter than he actually proved to be. I thought Donaire-Rigondeaux was a 50-50 fight, which is how I see this one too. I was proven wrong on that occasion and it might be the same case here. Maybe I'm overrating Lomachenko (and if Rigo schools him I will happily admit that), but I do believe he is a level above Donaire. Yes that view is based partly on hindsight but he's also shown me things I have never seen Nonito do, aside from the outstanding footwork there are so many intricacies with Lomachenko's style which I never saw in Donaire. If they'd both come up at the same time I do believe I would be saying the same thing.

 

Rigondeaux won't outweigh Lomachenko by a ridiculous amount and be low blowing him all night though, so I don't get how the Salido fight applies

 

Agreed, I think we all overrated Donaire tbh. Even I thought he was a legit elite fighter, and like top 5 P4P.

In hindsight, it's pretty clear that Donaire simply wasn't that good. Against smaller fighters who came at him, he looked deadly. But against bigger guys, or people who forced him to lead, he looked kind of average at world level.

 

I can't believe some utter moronS still bring up the Salido fight.

It was his second pro fight, he looked more apprehensive and nervous than usual, and he was against a dirty fucker who weight cheated him.

If they rematched tomorrow, Chenko would batter him.

 

I'd group Donaire with Mosley and your man Hamed, style wise - guys who'll absolutely eat up guys who come at them throwing and who'll struggle if you make them lead.

 

In a way, yeah. Though I think Mosley was a lot better than Donaire. Him moving up and beating prime Oscar trumps Donaire's whole career.

And Mosley wasn't nullified to the same degree when forced to lead.

 

$100, I get Rigondeaux, you get Lomachenko. Put up or shut up, bitch.

 

damn! mikE just called you out!!!!!

 

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mikE giving it the big one.

I don't bet on fights mikE, I haven't bet on one in over half a decade.

Thanks for the offer though, faggoT.

 

MWS bottling out, there.

MTF

 

Not bottling out of anything. I simply don't bet on fights, it hampers my enjoyment of them - I told Anthony the same thing recently.

It's like saying a vegan is bottling out of eating a cheese sarnie.

If I don't bet I don't bet, that's not going to change because some repressed homosexual on a forum wants me to.

 

Bitch can't even make an exception. hahaha Loser. Lick my elite gay balls, bitch.

Yes, mods. I'll stop now. The little bitch can have the last word.

 

I do think Salido's roughhouse tactics was something new to Lomachenko, though.

If they were to fight again, I think Loma would be ready for him and he'd decision him clearly or maybe even score that stoppage that he may have scored had Loma done some significant damage early in that fight.

 

Your new name is DIAGEO.

 

Agreed on both counts.

Salido has a hardcore, dirty, pro style, and weight cheated. Chenko actually did surprisingly well considering it was his 2nd fight.

 

Behave bottler.

 

Salido did the exact same thing to Guerrero before, though, and Lomachenko has about 20,000 amateur fights, many at the top level. It's hard to imagine Salido did something he didn't expect and hadn't seen before. Had Lomachenko tired at the end, I think the excuse would make more sense. But, Loma came on at the end. We're left with him getting outhustled by a tough guy who many others had figured out. It's a bad loss even with the weight issue for a guy many think of as P4P material.

Lucky for him, Rigondeaux fights nothing like that. Lomachenko is too proven to think he has no chance, but my eyes say Rigondeaux is clearly better.

 

So what if Chenko has 20,000 amateur fights? Amateurs != pros.

Have you ever seen an amateur who fights like Salido?

 

I think that loss by Loma makes him twice the fighter now than he would've been. Rigo doesn't have that.

 

Rigo had his pro vs amateurs learning experience against Cordoba, and has only got better since

 

Agreed.

 

Rigondeaux has been put on his ass way too much in the pros, to make him out as some invisible dude. Twice in his last fight also. Lomachenko will definitely have a good chance here.

 

Did you watch rigondeauxs last fight? He broke that gigantic japanese fellas face

 

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So what? My point still stands. That japanese dude shouldn't even see round 7, and shouldn't even be able to put Rigo on his ass.

 

Speaking SOLELY About Himself, REED Can't Say he Uses Resume EXCLUSIVELY, when Handicapping Fights...Ali-Liston, Foreman-Frazier, Pac-Barrera, there's INFINITE Examples of that Philosophy NOT Panning Out..

Having Said That, You HAVE to Adhere to Resume is SOME Regard, when Assessing a Fighter's Worth...REED Could Start a Million Threads Dissecting HOW he Believes Errol Spence is BETTER than Keith Thurman, yet, as REED Types, their Resumes AREN'T Worth the Effort...Same Rule Applies to WHY GGG Isn't Universally Embraced...

Resume MATTERS!!!...

REED Only Brought Up Donaire when the Idea of Rigondeaux Fighting "Nobody" on Lomachenko's "Level" was Broached...Make No Mistake, Nonito Donaire was on a HIGHER Level than Loma's Reached (To Date), when Rigondeaux Schooled Him...

Not Saying Donaire BEATS Loma, but he was CLEARLY on a HIGHER Level than Vasyl's Currently @...




REED:dunno:

 

The big difference here is amateur rules vs pro rules. In the amateur rules which Lomachenko fought on you couldn't outhustle your opponent that way, because only clean punches scored any points (and even them always didn't). Several of Salido's punches landed partly, and in pros that counts for the puncher if the opponent is as passie as Lomachenko was.

Also, it seemed that Lomachenko didn't quite trust his stamina there since it was his first long fight where he got hit with small gloves. The same phenomenon was seen in Kovalev vs Hopkins, too. Thus he upped the gear little too late.

Of course, a loss is a loss and when we judge Lomachenko's ranking (now or all-time) it definitely counts against him, but I agree with the take that since that learning experience he is a better professional now than he was going to the fight

 

I will say, for an elite fighter Rigo does get hurt rather easily when hit CLEANLY and seems to have to hold on to survive every time. Even in his last fight it happened on more than one occasion. That Japanese kid dropped him twice and hurt him on more than one occasion.

Not saying that has any bearing on a potential fight with Lomachenko, but I do think that it is something to take into consideration considering that Loma is not only bigger, and a pretty decent puncher, but his skill level does mean that he will likely land a good amount of punches.

Does Rigo survive? :dunno:

 

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