Everytime I see this guys fights on YT....they are like over an hour long as the greasy little fatso plods around after somebody smaller-lighter-weaker-older than him and eventually wears them down. He's got no massive punch, he has been very carefully matched, he shit the bed vs Floyd and could barely do anything with antique relics like Shane and Never-Was bums like Matt Hatton and Gay Pride Ryan Rhodes. His fight with Angulo was a disgrace. Angulo looked like a concentration camp victim before the fight started and had those two awful beatings from Kirkland and Lara under his belt, plus, what, a year of fucking detention or something...the man was a pale shadow of an already limited fighter. He gets stoppages but he's not stopping anyone. The ref or a corner is jumping in. Then he's fighting Josesito Lopez..........bringing the guy up 2 classes......a guy who went Life and Death with the totally awesome fucking Victoria Ortiz. He fights by numbers....bit of pressure, body shots, hands up....plodding brawler style. After two rounds he is sweating like a Paedo in a Barney suit in a playground. Meh........40+ fights or something and he has shown ZERO nous or tricks or angles. Don't talk to me about Kirkland, that chinny bum SHOULD have lost to anyonewith a pulse and had already been blown out by Yakuza Gumi Ishida.
I really think the freckle faced fucker will beat down fragile Cotto. Buy don't worry, then Golov will lay an epic ass whipping on him.
What Constantly Gets LOST on Canelo is Dude's AGE...He JUST Turned 25 in July...Let that Marinate... Canelo Fought Hatton and Ryan Rhodes More than 4 YEARS Ago, @ 20 Years of Age...Shane and Lopez Nearly 3 FULL Years Ago...Some are RELUCTANT to Admit it, but Canelo is Still MATURING as a Fighter...& REED Maintains, he Thinks Canelo WILL Be Improved @ 27-28, 30 Years of Age, Compared to What he Is Today...Doesn't Mean he'll Go Undefeated from Now til Then, but he'll Be a Noticeably More EXPERIENCED, SLICKER, ADAPTABLE Fighter, in REED's Opinion...He'll PACE Himself Better Too.... Canelo's Anything BUT Protected...If Golden Boy were Matching him "Carefully", he'd have NEVER Faced Austin Trout or Erislandy Lara...Nope, those WEREN'T Impressive Wins, but they Dame Sure WEREN'T Robberies Either... REED's Always Likened Canelo to a Poor Man's Cotto; Similar Body Structure, Bigger and More Athletic, Both High Guard Using Boxer/Punchers who Throw in Combination, Pursuers who Work the Body...Can't Wait to Watch them Bang Heads... REED:dance2:
While I agree he hasn't been necessarily "protected" the wins against guys he could have avoided weren't anything to talk about. Overall what we've seen is that he can punch and take one too. Boxing acumen? Meh. Kind of the same. Vulnerable opponents that put themselves right into range he can dispatch, anything more he struggles. If he JUST turned 20 i would be more optimistic. The experience has had works against his future potential imo. With that amount of time in the pros and high profile fights i would expect much more. What major improvements has he displayed? He's the same basic guy with a bit more seasoning. While he might beat Cotto he won't accomplish as much in his career. If he was Saul Jones from Ohio nobody would know who he is.
Trout and Lara were QUINTESSENTIAL "High Risk, Low Reward" Opponents Canelo INSISTED Upon Fighting...NOBODY Else was Actively Seeking Either as an Option, from REED's Recollection...Both Bouts were Undeniably AWKWARD and VAGUE in Terms of who Won, yet it's Not Like Canelo Getting the Nod is a Boxing Travesty, or Anything Close...Ultimately, REED Can't See Those Wins Being Held AGAINST Canelo, Considering his Youth @ the Time & the Level of RESISTANCE Others Showed Trout and Lara, as Potential Foes... As You've Noted, Canelo Can Punch AND Take a Punch...But there's a Bit MORE There Too...This ISN'T Ricardo Mayorga we're Talking about...There's SOME Degree of Science, SOME Degree of Manipulation to Canelo's Style...He's NOT the Stereotypical, Face-First Mexican Fighter @ All...He's More PATIENT, Utilizes FEINTS, Throws Good, Crips Combo's, etc... w/Out Question, Canelo Alvarez is a TALENTED Prizefighter, Bro...& This ISN'T a Guy who's ABSORBED Tons of Punishment in his Career, Thus Faaaaaaaaaaar... To REED's Eye, Canelo Alvarez has More than Enough WORKABLE Talent to Improve Upon his Current Self, Especially if he Switches Trainers @ Some Point (Which REED Predicts WILL Happen If/When Canelo Loses his Next Fight)... REED:mj:
He's alright. I've always found him rather ordinary. Not sure what Cotto has left at this point, but I think Canelo's patient style plays into his hands, being that he doesn't apply much pressure like Margarito, nor does he have the hand speed of Pacquiao, much less the defense and reflexes of PBF. However, youth and power I do think go in Canelo's favor and that could play a role. I thought he lost narrowly to Trout, and was outboxed by Lara though it was competitive. If he beats Cotto impressively, I'll give him credit.
Canelo is in his prime now. 24-25 is usually the EXACT age range where fighters of Canelo's style peak at. He's not gonna get any better than his current self. He's a good fighter. You can actually say hes over achieved based on his abilily. He's a short, thicked legged with aligator arms, and not all that athletic, yet has gonr pretty far. I think Cotto is a better fighter, but I'm picking Canelo. I think the last two Cotto fights have fooled a lot of people into thinking he's changed. Martinez was shot and Geale a scrub. Cotto is still faded and it'll show against Canelo. Cotto's true prime was circa 07 and that version of Cotto would have thrashed Canelo pretty badly.
I'm so sick of everybody assuming fighters need new or different trainers all the time. The Reynoso's have done just fine with Canelo. He's well schooled offensively, just limited because he has slow feet. Very slow feet. Can't teach foot speed. Also can't teach natural mentality. Canelo is never gonna be a stalking type fighter. His mentality is that of a counter puncher.
Canelo isn't WITHOUT talent, but I think you overrate his talent. He has natural limitations that can't really be fixed because they're, well, natural. He's never gonna have footspeed. He's never gonna NOT have aligator arms, and he's a good hitter, but will never be a devastating puncher. You're expecting this dude to turn into Sal Sanchez, and it's just not gonna happen.
alvarez is a limited spurt fighter who gasses in fights, but at least he doesnt fight in the manner of an utter finnoch like wald pussy
I give Canelo credit for having the balls to fight top opposition. I never thought he'd fight Lara. Lucky for him, Lara is a mental midget who blew the fight. With Lara's talent and skill he should have won by a mile, yet he fought negatively enough late to blow the fuckin fight. All he had to do was let his hands go. Canelo had zero answer when Lara let his hands go. And that goes back to his limitations.
No. He won, but he didn't "beat" shit. He backed up and looked lost with the cut and the body punches. Lara won the boxing match, Canelo won the fight. Both looked flawed and limited.
No way did Lara deserve the decision. And let's not forget. Lara would've obviously preferred not to fight like a puss. So credit to Canelo for basically turning him into a bitch. Sometimes that's worthy of a win.
That is the essence of it , really. It sums Canelo up to a tee. He just keeps going, doing his thing, so far it has been enough, under conditions most suited to the little fatso.
I won't disagree with that, but Canelo really showed NOTHING in that fight. He looked very limited and won off the strength of Lara being scared to engage more.
He imposed his will, not his skill. Basically he kept egging the pudding until he had a palatable dish. He showed no invention or cleverness, just relatively astute pressure and desire. If Lara wanted it as badly as Canelo did, Canelo would have gotten beat up.
Who Said Anything about Sal Sanchez???...Or Even JM Marquez for that Matter???... REED Fully Recognizes What Canelo's Talents Are & Quite Frankly, they OUTWEIGH his Limitations, in REED's Opinion...You have Yet to Mention Canelo's HANDSPEED, his ACCURACY, the VARIETY of Shots he Throws, his BALANCE (In Lieu of Footspeed)... & While Dude ISN'T a "Devastating" Puncher, he DOES Possess Power in BOTH Hands...There's More to LIKE about Canelo, than there is to COMPLAIN About... REED:hammert:
THIS... When a Fighter Goes into BITCH Mode, there's a Greater than Zero Chance his OPPONENT Has Something to Do w/It.... REED:hammert:
i dont know about any of that but lara landed more and cleaner punches, scored more points, and won more rounds than alvarez. bottom line alvarez also barely edged trout, after open scoring caused trout to change his entire gameplan
When a Fighter has Heard Only 1 Voice Since his Boxing Inception, it Sometimes BEHOOVES him to Reach Out to Another... Roy Jones WOULD NOT have Been as Great as he Was, Remaining Under his Father...Shane Mosley Could've Been even BETTER, had he Gotten a Different Trainer EARLIER in his Pro Career...What Would Lennox Lewis have Amounted To, Sans Change in Trainer???...Wladimir Klitschko???... Freddie Roach wasn't Pacquiao's Original Trainer, yet NO ONE Can Deny Changing Trainers MAXIMIZED Pac's Talents...Floyd Mayweather has Benefited from Having his Father AND his Uncle Work his Corner @ Opposite Times... Granted, Changing Trainers AIN'T for Everybody, but it Damn Sure CAN'T Be Dismissed Either... REED:hammert:
For me, better match making. He really moved to 160 too soon. He would have NEVER beaten Hopkins. But he should have stayed at 154 and waited for fights against Mosley, rematch with De La Hoya, maybe even a showdown with Forrest. I mean, Tito's footwork was always gonna be his weakness. No way to really improve that. When he lost to Hopkins, he just lost to a better fighter. No real shame in that.
