Mayweather's not done yet. He's secretly planning one last fight.

Oh yes, I've heard this song before....he ducked Williams and "Cheato". How does a man "duck" Paul Williams and Margarito at Welterweight but elect to fight Oscar De La Hoya at Jnr Middleweight?

Did Lennox Lewis "duck" Chris Byrd?

Ludicrous.

 

I was critical of him not fighting Pacquiao earlier as well. Still am in fact. And yes the win at the time it came wasn't as good as the win would have been had it happened in 2009/2010.

"However"

Let's not pretend for one second that Pacquiao was washed up when Floyd actually did fight him. Come on, we're all reasonable men here. Pacquiao was still a formidable opponent.

Leonard fought Hagler YEARS after when the fight was first proposed and everyone knew that Hagler had slipped somewhat since 1982 or whatever. Still, beating Hagler was an impressive win and shouldn't have an "asterix" beside it.

All I'm saying is that you guys lack consistency in your arguments.

 

Haters gonna hate.

A man could defeat a prime adult Serengeti Lion with his bare hands and his haters would say some shit like "yeah yeah, notice how he didn't dare try that shit with the Siberian Tiger, pussy".

 

the manny fight came too late but it should have cemented his status in the top 10 of all times. The undefeated thing obviously has to count for something also.

I think people who say he doesn't should make a top ten so I can nitpick out one guy and explain why he's worse... ::

 

you're making very valid points without this haters gonna hate stuff - I like that!

 

Beating Pac was a GOOD win. It should have been a career defining one. It wasn't because Mayweather didn't want anything to do with the fight when there was a realstic prospect he might lose.

Story of Mayweather's last ten years. Nothing to do with 'hate'. I don't 'hate' Mayweather. He's obviously a prick but that has nothing to do with his achievements. He has basically pissed away the last ten years when he COULD have been amassing a really impressive resume.

MTF

 

Who was the last prime, elite fighter Mayweather beat?

MTF :dunno:

 

Very good points? He's being typical D&M - ignoring pertinent arguments, deflecting with daft analogies, strawmen and rubbish about 'haterz', failing to address simple facts...

MTF

 

Failing to address facts? My posts have been filled with facts. My analogies have been on point also. Strawmen? Which one?

Haterz...ok I'll give you that one...I threw that in for fun, but what else?

 

How do you define elite? How do you determine Prime? Much of that, especially "elite" is subjective.

Objectively both Canelo and Hatton should considered prime and elite fighters at the point when Mayweather fought them. Pacquiao was elite but slightly removed from prime. De La Hoya was elite but slightly removed from prime Cotto could be argued to have been both elite and prime.

Let's ask that question of Hagler, for example? Aside from Hearns, who did he fight that was both "elite" and "prime"? When you answer that give me your definition of elite.

 

I'm not interested in Hagler. I'm interested here in Mayweather. Canelo was prime but not elite. Pac is an obviously elite fighter but miles from his prime. Cotto is borderline elite but five years past his best. You are on record saying Hatton is shite, though I'd actually argue that Hatton is the last elite and vaguely prime fighter Mayweather Jr. beat. That was EIGHT years ago.

MTF

 

Brought up Hagler only to suggest that we can be just as harsh on most past greats if we apply the Mayweather logic to them also. But fine, we wont discuss Hagler.

Sugar Ray Leonard fought all the way up to 1994 i believe. The last prime and elite fighter he fought was Hearns in 1981. But fine...and sorry, we wont discuss Leonard either.

Pac may not be prime in terms of age, but Neither was Hopkins when he beat Pavlik and Tarver. Pac showed in recent fights that he was still a force to be reckoned with...but Marquez just had his number. Cotto may have been past his best, as you say, but again...still formidable to the point where the number of years you speak of are just meaningless numbers. Canelo had beaten Trout and has since beaten Lara and has only lost to Floyd yet he wasn't one of the elite fighters in the world when Floyd fought him? Come on now Feebs!

 

That you are using Hopkins as a comparitor, when by the consensus of everyone alive he is an absolute one-off freak, shows how weak your arguments are. No-one in their right mind would consider the Pac Mayweather beat to be anything other than very diminished (and yes, so is Mayweather at this point). No-one in their right mind would argue Cotto was in his prime when he fought Mayweather.

Canelo was always a decent, rather than elite fighter. But lets say I'm generous and I include him as a prime, elite fighter (I don't, but for the sake of argument). That's TWO prime, elite fighters beaten by Mayweather in the last eight years.

Wow!

MTF

 

Let me ask you this: Which "Prime and Elite" fighters in the last 10 years did Mayweather not fight?

 

Beating Cotto in 2008-10 at 147 would have been an excellent win. Likewise Paul Williams. Pac circa 2009 would have been an obvious, career-defining win. There are three straight off the top of my head.

MTF

 

Paul Williams was never elite...and if Mayweather had actually fought and beaten him you would have said so also. But he fought Pac and Cotto....and they were still formidable when he did fight them, so you're not helping your case any with any of those examples, buster.

 

Williams was by consensus an elite fighter at his peak and many felt he would have given Mayweather a tough fight. I'd be the first to have credited him for a win there. The rest of your answer is obvious, trolling nonsense - you are too intelligent to believe the rubbish you have typed here.

MTF

 

Sly loves Floyd, I think we can forgive him this.

This is Sly in 10 years time when Floyd is busted for income-tax fraud and goes to jail:

"He payd dem taxes motherfuckers"

 

Who were the prime, elite fighters Julio Cesar Chavez beat?

 

"I CANN beleev they settin him up for dee fall man"

 

Meldrick Taylor. And he did beat him. Nobody who has slits for eyes, is totally worn out and dead--tired, whose orbital socket bone is broken and who has just swallowed a pint of their own blood is the winner of fuck all, especially when they spent the last 6 seconds of the fight on their ass.

 

Sly comes to these threads READY!!!

 

Pbf probably paid someone to hit Williams on his motorcycle.

 

WHAT.THE.FUCK!! hahahahaha

I used to love watching that show back in da day....

 

I specifically pointed out that he should stop with the "haterz" stuff with this particular post.

I don't agree on everything he said, but I think I'm very much pro Mayweather as a top 10 all time, because I think a lot of old-timers are overrated as hell in boxing. Motherfuckers have losses, ain't got no money, no hoes, no cars, wrinkles in their faces and probably still a flip phone!!!