Felix Trinidad vs Larry Barnes

Missing isn't just about handspeed or lack thereof. Sigh. No point me arguing this point with you fellas. Like casting pearls before swine....

 

Work the room Sly, Work the room.

 

A good example of Trinidad's handspeed is the combo he dropped David Reid with. Also, consider this - Trinidad was a wider puncher than Corrales. So Chico had quick hands, which was aided by the fact that his punches were sooooooo short and compact. I would make the argument that Corrales is the 3rd best short puncher of all time behind Joe Louis and Arguello.

In any case, Tito's punches had to travel a farther distance and still got the target with speed. Tito also pulled the trigger faster than Corrales, which does count. Like the hook he dropped Vargas with. Corrales could never do that cause he couldnt pull the trigger that quickly.

 

Your problem is you're discounting trigger speed all together, which you can't do. How quickly you can pull the trigger is a part in measuring handspeed, even though it doesn't tell the full story.

You can't tell me shit about Corrales. He's one of my top 10 all time favorite fighters. Trinidad is not one of my all time favorite fighters, but facts are facts. When they both let their hands fly, they had comparable handspeed, but Trinidad could get his hands off quicker, which tips the handspeed in his favor.

Trinidad was simply a far superior talent than Chico, which I know is stating the obvious. Chico's ONLY edge on Trinidad is being more dangerous in close. Which is kinda negated by the fact that Trinidad was more dangerous at mid range and long range.

 

I agree with the trigger point. But here's where I am coming from if I may conjure up another Slyesque analogy:

If a quick draw guy with a pistol comes up against a guy with a heavy machine gun in his hand and a third party calls it, the guy with the pistol will shoot machine gun guy dead. So quick draw is exceedingly important and usually nullifies machine gun in a one on one.

However....

If they had happened to get into a fire fight, the machine gun guy would get off more rounds in a shorter space of time than the guy with the pistol.

What I am saying is that Corrales would get off 10 punches faster than Floyd would (or Tito) in a combination, but Floyd's quick trigger, is why you'd never see Corrales get a chance to get off those rounds.

 

I think you're overrating Corrales' handspeed, which is the opposite of what most people do. Most people act like Corrales was slow, which he wasn't. He had quick hands, ESPECIALLY his hook. But you're acting like he had Tyson-like handspeed, which isn't the case.

Watch that video Hex put up of Tito vs Troy Waters. Perfect example of how quickly Tito got off that hook, and after Waters got up, perfect example of how quickly he could string together combos.

 

I'll watch it, but look at Corrales-Castillo first two rounds again. When Corrales let his hands go it was IMPRESSIVE. Castillo presented a stationary target so that allowed him to wail away. I've never seen tito throw punches anywhere near that fast.

 

That goes back to what I was saying about how compact Corrales' punches were. They traveled SUCH a short distance.

"Like I said before", out of any fighters I've ever seen, the only two more capable of generating devastating power with such short shots besides Chico, are Louis and Arguello. Louis was the ABSOLUTE best at it.