Ward vs Golovkin

At least Lemoo did. Nobody is claiming he's an all time great but that's more than a decent scalp on his resume, especially when you consider how easy he made it look.

 

You REPEATEDLY Fancy REED as Some Sort of GGG Hater, but the FACT Is, YOU Cannot See the Forest for GGG's BALLSACK, Brother X...You're a CERTIFIED GGG Nuthugger, Homey...ANY GGG Opinion that DIFFERS from YOURS is Met w/"Hater" Talk...

Unquestionably, GGG Would ENHANCE his Legacy by Moving Up to '68 and Winning a Title from Someone LESS Famous than an UNDERSIZED Welter in Cotto, or a Short Jr. Middle like Canelo, who EVERYBODY Would HEAVILY Favor GGG to BEAT Anyways...Being the SMALLER Guy, Moving Up to Rule a Higher Weight Class Would Do MORE For GGG's Legacy than Feasting on Guys that AREN'T Even Middleweights to Begin w/...

Nonetheless, YOU Readily ASSume GGG would Beat Anybody BUT Ward @ '68 Anyways, So WHYfuckingBOTHER, Right???...It's the Pure, Unadulterated NUTHUGGER Bullshit In YOU, Bro....REED is ALOT More Objective in Regards to GGG than You Are, & It's NOT Even Close...There has Never EVER Been a Fighter as Hyped, Praised and Lauded, to the Degree GGG has Been, w/as PISS POOR of a Resume...OBJECTIVELY Speaking, there's NATHAN You Can Say to REED that Can Fuck w/that Statement, Either...REED is DARING You to Name Even ONE Fighter that Compares, in that Same Regard....ONE!!!!....

But as is the Norm for You, You'll Simply Label REED a 'Hater' for Pointing that Out...Why???...Because You're All Up ON GGG's Nuts....Enjoy the Scent and the Taste, but Kindly EXCUSE REED If he'd Like to WAIT for More Evidence that Dude is Worthy of the Dicksuckery....







REED:baa:

 

Golovkin gained more notoriety saturday for that fight than if he had faced any 168lber aside from ward. you disagree, reed?

 

I hear you REED but I think you are talking about a bit different matter here.

Since GGG isn't as proven as the legends, you can't rank him up there with them. It is obvious and I agree.

However, who beats whom is a different matter. Vernon Forrest wasn't as proven as Mosley when they met, yet beat him.

Now does GGG beat Hagler or Hearns? Maybe, maybe not. We have nothing to prove that either way. And that is the point: he is not as great as them but it isn't a lock that he couldn't beat them

 

I thnk that there's enough data on GGG after 34 fights to offer an opinion on a mythical matchup against Hagler or Hearns.

 

I can't agree. Of course you can make an assumption with this data, but this is where 'unproven' comes to play. It is a relative term of course but to me we have to know more about him against better opponents to make accurate picks, one way or another. How does he deal with great movement? What about great handspeed, reach or an excellent jab? All that remains to be seen.

And as for your earlier Foreman vs Frazier example: picking the unproven Foreman beforehand would have been accurate and smart too and there were factors why it could have made sense, but you can't have been sure of the result beforehand

 

Ward's one of the best boxers of the last 10 years.
If he can nullify Kessler / Froch / Dawson power then he can easily do the same to Golovkin and outbox him.

Ward-Golovkin would resemble Hopkins-Pavlik.

 

Even though I said on MM that I'd pick Jones over Hagler, I think people tend to forget how fucking GOOD early-to-mid 80's Hagler was.

For example, Tony Sibson was a better version of LeMoo. Hagler took Sibson apart in more impressive fashion than what Golov did LeMoo on Saturday. In fact, the Sibson fight was Hagler's best overall performance.

Just based on styles, Golov tends to get hit more against southpaws. His defense against convential fighters is always very solid, but southpaws can nail him.

I think Golov would be competitive with prime Hagler, but I can't see him winning. I think Marv would win a rather clear decision.

 

Now THIS is bullshit! Hopkins-Pavlik was a shutout. No way in Hell Ward pitches a shutout on Golov. Golov is too good to be shutout against anyone.

 

Very objective post,
We need more people like this on this Forum...

 

Yeah, it was a shut-out....and I know for a fact a ton of people on this very Forum were picking Ghost to end BHops....

Notice all of a sudden the GGG fanboys are proclaiming him some HoF jabber....like "oh look - he's not only got crushing power and great footwork...but lookee here!"

 

Ward couldn't shutout Froch. And Golov is in a different skill league than Froch, with a MUCH higher ring IQ than Froch.

Ward is an excellent, excellent fighter, but isn't THAT fucking good to shut out Golov.

 

At 168lb he certainly is.
Don't forget, Ward coasted the last 3-4 Rd vs Froch (who is an ATG).

Until GGG fights a AA or Chunky....all bets are off.

 

You're FAAARRRRRRRR FAARRRR FARRRRR from being more objective on Golov than I am, and it's bullshit if you think otherwise.

I laugh whenever you call me a Golov "groupie" when nothing can be further from the truth. Fan? Yes. Groupie? Hell no! If anything, I'm a Kov groupie. And I'm quickly becoming a Spence groupie. But a Golov groupie? No. That's all in your head.

I'm very critical of TRUE Golov groupies when they already proclaim Golov as an all time great. And I laugh when groupies on other forums say he could beat Hagler, Hopkins, and Jones.

You on the other hand, simply don't like Golov and no matter how impressive his performances, you'll find a way to diminish him.

Nobody but YOU cares to see Golov fight a scrub like Groves or Badu Jack. Golov clearly wants to break Hopkins middleweight title defense record, and that's fine by me.

If Ward or Froch were still at 168, I'd be calling for Golov to move up. But Froch retired rather than face Golov, and Ward is officially moved up to 175 and plans to face Kov at the end of 2016.

 

Errr......:scratcher:

 

Don't misinterpret what I said. You're trying to paint it as if I'm saying Froch retired BECAUSE of Golov. That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that the Golov fight was on the table. Golov and his promoter wanted the fight. HBO wanted the fight. Froch's promoter was willing to make the fight. But Froch instead decided to retire.

 

Froch. 38.
What boxer in the fcking history of the sport takes risk over reward?

At 168lb, I'll grant that Golovkin would have a 30-40%% shot of beating a 38-yr old Froch - and that fight, Froch wanted at the City Ground and there was no way he'd be losing that.

The actual truth is, Froch had lost all desire and the only feasible fights for him were Chavez jr, Kessler III or Hopkins.
Froch fought everyone, man....the only thing that let him down was over-exuberant Twittering...

 

And I agree. I'm not faulting Froch at all. Never did. Go back to earlier threads and you'll see as much.

He fought everyone, and he knew he couldn't get up for a Golov fight. And obviously he's not a stupid man, he knew full well that he was in decline and how dangerous a Golov fight would be.

As for who'd win, I feel as if they fought last year that Golov would have given him a one sided beating.

Prime Froch is more competitive, but I think Golov is plain too skilled and too accurate for Froch's many weaknesses.

But we'll never know for sure...

 

Golovkin can't do this to dudes at 160, let alone 168:

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Are you trying to say Froch has more one-punch KO's? LMAO!

I assure you, Golov has more one punch KO's in his career than Froch. And I also assure that Golov would destroy that chinless ginger Groves.

Froch's only chance against Golov is simply that his size would be too much. Because realistically speaking, size is literally THE ONLY thing Froch has over Golov.

Skill, quickness, talent, defense, ring IQ, all HUGE in Golov's favor.

 

Agreed.
So if we take Froch's literal size...and add superior skill, speed, talent, defense, ring-IQ....that gives you Andre Ward.


Ward Pts12 Golovkin

 

I'm guessing you haven't read any of my predictions, because I'd pick Ward over Golov.

It just wouldn't be a shut out.

 

Before Froch retired he said he believed he would beat Golovkin. He said he'd back him up, take everything he had, take his heart. Something like that anyway. In one interview he sounded so convincing that he wanted the Golovkin fight it made me believe it was going to happen. Now when I think about it, maybe Froch was just hyping the fight up for no reason but to get fans excited and talking.

 

If GGG Subscribes to the "Legacy DON'T Pay Bills" School of Thought, he's WELL Within his Right to Keep Doing What he's Doing...

"However", if GGG's the LEAST Bit Interested in a LASTING Legacy in Boxing, he'll MOVE UP a Mere 8 lbs & Seek Bigger Fish to Fry, LITERALLY...





REED:mj:

 

who aside from ward will add to his legacy? ::

ward is not an option anyhow. he fights at 175

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/10/andre-ward-signs-three-fight-contract-with-hbo/

 

What EVIDENCE Is There of REED "Simply Not Liking" GGG???...& Please Be SPECIFIC...

Not 1nce has REED EVER Spoken Harshly About GGG Personally NOR Stylistically...REED's ENTIRE Criticism has Been Based on the IMBALANCE of How HYPED Dude Is, vs. What he's Actually ACCOMPLISHED...HBO Named Him Their Fucking "Fighter of the Year" for KO'ing Daniel Geale and Marco Antonio Rubio, for Fucks Sake...He's Now Considered a Top 5 (@ Worst) Lb for Lb'er, yet THE Absolute BEST Guy he's Ever Faced is DAVIDfuckingLEMIEUX???...

Again, Name a Fighter, JUST ONE, that's Gotten as MUCH Hype, for Doing as LITTLE as GGG Has???...For the 2nd Time, REED is Straight Up DARING YOU to Name Just ONE Other Fighter in that Regard, Brother X???...If/When you CAN'T, You're PROVING REED's Point FOR Him, Homey...

If Taking a WAIT & SEE Attitude w/the Dude, as Opposed to Getting MOIST btwn the Legs as he KO's a String of Mediocre Middleweights, Makes REED a "Hater", So Fucking Be It...But Again, Illustrate Where EXACTLY REED has Demonstrated he "Simply Doesn't Like" the Guy???...

That Fact that YOU Get Bent the Fuck Out of Shape just Because REED Doesn't Think as Highly of GGG as YOU Do is Because You're a Certified NUTHUGGER of the Cat...That's the Quintessential Sign...

Instead of Sitting Around HOPING to Fully Unifiy 160, it'd Do MORE for GGG's BOXING LEGACY to Attempt to Unify @ '68...Even w/Lesser Names in Terms of MARQUEE Value, Dude Would BOLSTER his Lb for Lb Credentials and Etch a Place in History for Himself...

REED has Been VERY Clear and CONSISTENT in his Criticisms of GGG...




REED:mj:

 

What NAME Fighters were @ Lightheavy when Roy Moved Up 7 lbs (After Moving Up from '60 to Face James Toney) to Campaign @ that Division???...

Even Sans a MAINSTREAM Name @ 175, Did Moving up ENHANCE Roy Jones' Legacy or Not???...





REED:mj:

 

you cant be serious with this statement. you are telling me wins over Arthur Abraham, Vincent Feigenbutz, Badou Jack, and James DeGale will build any type of legacy? the guy is older and looking for the huge pay vs the cotto-alvarez winner.

 

terrible example. there was no big fight on the horizon looming at 168 for jones jr. if there had been a cotto-alvarez type opponent there for him you can best believe he wouldve stuck around longer in hopes of getting that payday. had he gotten that payday he might not still be fighting russian beet farmers for peanuts at age 50.

 

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what???