Deontay Wilder AND Anntony Joshua Would've KO'ed Tyson Fury Today....

It's as if............."Who else is out there thats young and undefeated"........."oh yeah, Wilder and Fury"..........."they;ll win too".

With regards to "out-psyching"........I am not sure.

If WK had just stopped and gone on his bike, then maybe.

 

1. Because they Punch Hard and SEEK to LAND Hard Punches...All Things Considered, Last Night just Might have Been THE Most NEGATIVELY Waged "War", in Heavyweight Championship History...Neither Wilder NOR Joshua are the Least Bit Negative...

2. No Evidence to Suggest Fury "Won" Before the Fight Started...
3. Wlad Never Attempted to IMPLEMENT the Necessary Adjustments his Corner Offered...DOUBLING UP on the Jab, Jabbing to the BODY to Set Up Head Shots, Staying LOWER than Fury to Evade his Winging Shots AND to Make himself HARDER to Clinch, etc...To Say Fury "Nullified Whatever Game Wlad Had" is Ludicrous, as Wlad Never Soooooooo Much as ATTEMPTED Plan B, Nevermind C, D or E...It's as if he was SURPRISED that Fury was Taller, Looooooooooonger and Looked to USE those Strengths to his Advantage...

4. Again, NO Evidence Wlad was 'OutPsyched'....

Where Did You Get your "Psych" Degree From???...A Crackerjack Box???...





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Wlad did jab to the body, he did it as Fury ran off. I saw it so did anybody who watched it. Instead of complimenting it, the TV Crew {Brits} said "Oh Fury evading those shots". ::

 

CONSISTENTLY, Dude...w/PURPOSE...




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Right, so he needed to be consistently on point or he loses against a guy who........consistently did not want to fight.

I see merit in what you are saying, but it seems that WK is given less room for error than TF here, and WK had the belts :dunno:

 

If Wlad had not beaten Povetkin, then Povetkin almost certainly would have been added to the list of guys currently being given "Posthumous" VC medals* here

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Vlad Conqueror

 

w/Out Doing Much, Fury Did MORE Work than Wlad Did, Irish...That's the Point...

The Squared Circle is Only Soooooooo Big; MAKE him Fight, Instead of Spending 85-90% of the Fight on Your BACK Foot...






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Who did this.......Fury, surely.

 

Irish 'One-Shower-A-Week' Irisher: total wind-up merchant. ::

 

No.........two showers THIS WEEK.

Baths in Asses milk the rest of the way!!!

 

Everybody knows this. Wlad knows it and Vitaly knows it. By his facial expression, it was obvious he was disgusted by his brother lacks of courage. Irish knows it too. He's only trolling the board.

 

Fury isn't some master boxer and Wlad didn't even throw 20 punches a round. It was truly a pathetic performance by a guy who apparently can't adjust, no plan B.

 

Exactly. I guess people feel embarrassed that they didn't give Fury a chance that they're overcompensating and pretending the guy doesn't suck, even though we just watched him fight. "But.. But... He's the champion!!!"

 

I understand this take, but you need to remember that Larry Holmes had no plan B for Michael Spinks, Muhammad Ali had no plan B for Leon Spinks. Neither of them were master boxers and both Holmes and Ali were bigger and stronger so they should have been able to just run over the inept challenges. They couldn't, but I don't think it was because of their mental side

 

Wlad is a immensely gifted physical specimen. But his heart as always been an big issue, he has the mindset of a pretty boy, not a fighter. Every time he gets hit repeatedly, he gets very uncomfortable. Pathetic how his fans can't acknowledge this even after last night non performance.

 

wald pussy and mayweather jr are around the same age and have probably the same wear and tear in ring years. if mayweather jr fought some slightly taller/bigger guy who happens to be a fucking gypsy club fighter he wouldnt have lost

of course, that is only a revelation to one poster here

 

This might be true, but this fight is the first time ever Wlad lost partly because of his 'heart' so I am not sure about a 'big issue'.

It is obvious his chin isn't great and thus he has created tactics to protect that meanwhile beating his opponents. Is that a case of mental weakness or smarts?

Think about it: as a top-10 heavyweight, Wlad has gone longer than anyone in history of boxing without being down.

Ugly tactics yes, but nevertheless, doesn't sound like a feat that a guy with no heart could do, does it? Against Fury he wasn't able to figure out a way to get his shots going.

He could have tried harder, that is obvious. It is just that he isn't the first heavyweight ever to look slow and lethargic in 40 years of age and against a younger guy.

I would never call John Ruiz not gutsy for example, even though his title defense against Roy was even more pathetic and he basically let Jones walk to victory.

Every boxing fan should know that it is not always about heart when a fighter can't let his hands go. Some styles are more difficult then others

 

Lol, yes, let's pretend that he didn't quit against Brewster

 

Well, Ruiz had a broken nose vs Jones (and if I'm not wrong, a broken orbital bone). And while his performance vs RJ was bad, he proved his heart in other fights such as vs Toney, Haye and Holyfields. When did Wlad even showed he was willing to take harm to win ??? The only fight you could point is the first Peter fight where he was kd a couple of times, but he wasn't hurt on those kd and it was more fear than anything else that led to them imo as he basically jump on the canvas.

I don't even think Wlad chin is glass (it's not granite but not porcelain either), just that he reacts really badly to getting hit, i.e. he doesn't posses a true fighter's heart. And what not being down for 10 years had to do with heart ? It has more to do with chin and skill than anything else. For example, Gatti was down numerous time but few would argue about his heart. Wlad was in complete control in all of these fights.

BTW, I feel he quit vs Puritty and Brewster.

 

nah, he was always a heartless coward. He flopped to the canvas as soon as he was touched, and he"s a serial quitter

 

I think just like Roy Jones in the Tarver III or Hopkins II fight, you can be extremely disappointed in Wlad that he didn't pull the trigger but I am sure he was the one who wanted it most but couldn't anymore maybe... :dunno: He probably didn't simply refuse to do it just to piss off some viewers.

 

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He took a full force perfect shot against Brewster and didn't go down. He also tried hard to return fire against Sanders and the shot that put him down was sniper-like. You think he flopped against Sanders?

 

which full force perfect shot he took fron Brewster??? I just rewatched the Brewster fight (such an orgasmic fight), and while he got tagged with a few decent punches, I don't recall seeing him get hit by a bomb (don't say the left hook that caused the first count, it wasn't that good of a punch). Hell, even when he flopped to the canvas at the end of the fight, he doesn't even get hit.

I can't believe that I'm actually arguing against persons that think that Wlad had heart.alm:

 

Lol, Wlad fans pointing at the Sanders fight to prove his heart. He only threw one punch after the first kd (a right cross just before the final kd). That's you definition of showing heart and fighting back hard ??? As soon as he was hurt after the first kd, he crumbled repeatedly and the fight was as good as over. You want to see heart in a similar situation, look at Rahman fight with Sanders and how he reacts after getting hurt, more badly than Wlad was imo.

 

The way Klit was giving up the back of his head and turning his back expecting not to be hit he was a clear example of a scared fighter looking for help and a timeout.

 

I think it's tough to show heart, when your composure and chin is actually shit. If you're knocked the fuck out too quickly :: :dunno:

 

Wlad had a good reign but, in hindsight, I'm glad he's been beaten. Time for new meat and for some much needed excitement in boxing's top division.

I like what I've seen of Joshua: he's big, strong, powerful with compact punches and decent handspeed. He doesn't seem to waste punches like a Deontay Wilder. IF Joshua proves to have a chin...he's the future of the division for the next 10 years.