Tyson Fury v Wladimir Klitschko II

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I wasn't implying that it was the exact same scenario, but was pointing out that when you reach the end of your career and lose your title and it's apparent that your best days are behind you, best to hang'em up right there and then instead of risking further embarrassment.

 

I'm definately more interested in the rematch than I was in the first fight, i will probably even try to watch it live which i havent for a Wlad fight in years, maybe decades.

No reason to think it COULDNT be a different fight. Both are big dudes that have either power, suspect chins, or both. Wlad may prefer to go out 'swinging', which to him might mean throwing like 20 punches per round, whatever, it would be a big improvement. Even with a few more months on the clock it's hard to imagine Wlad fighting any worse. Fury needs to be at or above the level he was in the first fight IMO. Its nice going into a fight not knowing what will happen.. Even if we were wrong the first fight, it takes alot away when you're only expecting 1 possible outcome. And it is for THE belts...

 

He's old......but he's more BITCH than SHOT....he fought someone that was bigger than him..and he didn't know how to react to it..

 

If Wlad went down swinging next time, I'd actually tip my hat to him because I just don't think he has that in him.

For him to win, he's going to have to STEP OUT of his comfort zone that he has enjoyed for about 10 years or whatever. He will have to stop being Wald Pussy basically. His style of throwing 10 punches a round accompanied with 20 clinches a round is not going to get it done against the younger and more energetic Fury. He'll have to go for broke.

Man, I'm having a hell of time trying to envision Wlad doing that. I just don't see it.

 

Wlad was a better fighter historically than Fury. I'm not saying it will happen, but there's a chance he could train hard, fight more aggressively, and win the rematch before retiring. I'd rather see him go out and make it a real fight instead of retiring on a performance like this. If he goes all out and gets stopped, well, there's no shame in that. It's time to hang them up at that point.

 

He had that in him as a young fighter. I don't know if he'd do that now, but I'd like to see it. I don't want to see a rematch if he's going to try to win fighting cautiously and tentatively.

 

He won the fight using anything but fight-ending power.

 

More emphatic victory for Fury. He is incapable of solving Fury's "style" (ughh)
Wlad simply hasn't got it anymore. (as I said BEFORE the fight) his reflexes are in severe decline, he can't pull the trigger, & is close to being shot. He is not a resourcefull multi-dimensional fighter anyway, and now more than ever, needs to have a height reach advantage to win.

 

:: aye

 

I look forward to this fight less than for Saturdays battle between Andy ruiz and Mike grant

 

I don't recall ever seeing that version of Wlad. Always been super cautious, even when getting KTFO.

 

Did you see the Puritty fight? Wlad went all out, fought aggressively, and dominated the whole fight for 10 rounds. Ross weathered the storm and came back in the 11th when Wlad had punched himself out. The Brewster fight was similar in a way, where Wlad threw a lot early on and dominated until he gassed and couldn't defend himself as well. His losses led to his ultra cautious style he's used over the last 10 years.

 

he wont be

 

THIS!

Anyone can have an off night. Wlad will be more aggressive and will beat this journeyman next time; then he should retire like Ali did after the rematch with Leon Spinks (of course he cameback a few years later, but you get the idea).

 

I think it was a little bit more than an off night, though.

Wlad was legit SCARED... I think Fury was in his head from the get go, and it's a mental hurdle he won't be able to overcome.

 

That and Wlad himself said he was well prepared and was troubled by Furys style.

 

Wlad has no excuses whatsoever and I don't believe he has said otherwise. I rewatched the fight this morning and found myself cursing at the TV, mainly due to Wlad's no show.

 

Yup, Wlad was awful. He basically didn't do anything....and left all his fighting for the last round.

 

This was the primary key I suggested before the first fight.

 

Look at all Klitschko's opponents from the last 5 years:
Eddie Chambers - no power
Samuel Peter - power
David Haye - power
Jean Marc Mormeck - no power
Tony Thompson - no power
Mariusz Wach - no power
Franceso Pianeta - no power
Alexander Povetkin - power
Alex Leapai - no power
Kubrat Pulev - no power
Bryant Jennings - no power

So, as we see, Klitschko clearly feels at home against guys who have average pop in their punches....for whatever reason, the three guys he fought who could bang, jusdt didn't apply themselves or have a plan.

Then comes along Fury, who as limited as you might think, is taller, heavier, faster and has power (if he could punch correctly, he'd be awesome).

Add all that along to Fury's zany antics and attitude and un-wavering self-belief.....well, Klitschko will lose against him 5 out of 5.

 

I don't see any evidence that Fury has real power and Wlad looked confused and hesitant before Fury landed anything clean, which barely happened.

Fury isn't very good and a top level elite boxer should sort out his herky jerky style in a few rounds and smash him, but Klit was too averse to risk to apply himself and let the fight play out how it was supposed to. It was an extreme example of what a front runner he is. A guy that should just be pesky for a few rounds throws Wlad into a complete mental breakdown.

 

watch round 12 again - wlad gave it all he could and he couldn't muster fuck all. If anyone was gonna get a KO in that round it was Fury.

 

As much as Wlad can do, Wlad did go for broke in the last round of the fight. He won that round clear as day - Fury basically looked like we all imagined he would do from the get-go. If (and it is a massive 'if') Wlad decides the best way to try and go out with a bang is to fight from the start like that, he could conceivably knock Fury out. Fury didn't really win the fight as much as Wlad, by fighting like a tart and refusing to throw a right hand, lost it. If that was because he was frightened to commit and he goes for it this time, he can win. If it was because he is too old or too frightened to pull the trigger, he loses again.

MTF

 

See...this isn't a case of a Prime(ish) Lewis losing to an objectively inferior fighter in rahman or a green Louis losing to an older schmeling...in those cases one could see the rematch being very different. In this case it's an OLD Wlad going up against a prime Fury in a rematch.

Repeat or Revenge? I say Repeat...with prejudice!

 

Vitali was still an effective fighter into his early 40s. Wlad is old in terms of fighters, but not that old. He's looked like shit in his last 2 fights. He might still have it in him to fully dedicate himself and come back for one last big fight.

Old Lewis decided to retire instead of facing young Vitali again for a big money rematch. This feels different. Lewis and both Kiltschkos seem like they were much better fighters than Fury will ever be.

 

Wlad doesn't like to get hit. And Fury, not a big puncher, is able to touch him with his reach and size. If Wlad is to win, he'll have to take some risks but that's not in his mental make up and I highly doubt he'll be able to change it at this stage of his career (though Bute, who is a little bit similar, seems to have done so vs Degal, even though I didn't see the fight). Fury will win again.

 

Yep.

At this point, Wlad is not just going to turn into a destroyer. It's not his mentality.

I think he'll try to be aggressive early in a rematch, and the moment he gets touched by Fury a couple of times, he'll go back into his shell. If anybody is getting stopped, I think it would be Wlad.

 

agSLYd. I can't see Wlad doing anything different. I can see a much emboldened Fury closing the show.

 

I think Wlad is utterly destroyed by the 'shower' comment situation in the one-on-one.
You could see the blind fuckin panic in his face when Tyson bought that up.