Anthony Joshua v Dillian Whyte

Shit chin? Hell no.

 

Id like to see joshua against chisora. Dereck is usually durable, and he could test aj inside game

 

I don't think many would say Chisora is a step up from Whyte, but at least he brings experience to the table and will give it a go.

 

He sure is a step up from whyte, who was coming into that fight, a lowly regarded prospect. Chisora has fought the best in the workd, and usually gave a decent account of himself. Inthink this fight proved that AJ still needs a lot of time and experience, and he's not close to being a finished product

 

Chisora is old and crap.

MTF

 

He was crap even when he was "young". He just talks a good game, spits in people's faces and complains about being "glassed" but can't fight a lick.

 

Chisora would aim to put it on Joshua, but this version of him gets his arse handed to him.

 

Havent seen chisora since the second fury fight. He looked shot since then?

 

He was dreadful in the second Fury fight. Basically walked around very slowly, blocking punches with his face. He looked shot then, never mind since.

MTF

 

Yeah, but fury is a tad better and more seasoned than aj at the moment

 

Would he hell. D&M is basically correct; Chisora is/was cack. His entire resume is built on a decent, game showing (in a lop-sided defeat) to Vitali. He's lost to every half-decent, not-shot fighter he's ever faced. Joshua would light him up, tomorrow or five years ago.

MTF

 

Fine, but the point stands. Chisora basically couldn't pull the trigger in that fight. He wouldn't land a glove on Joshua.

MTF

 

Thats ridiculous. Fury has proven to be an elusive target against the best ib the world. AJ was getting tagged repeteadly by a novice. You cant use the fury fight as an indication that Chisora wouldnt land on AJ. Two completely different fighters at different levels

 

You are missing the point spectacularly. It isn't that Chisora didn't land. It's that he didn't/couldn't throw. He basically threw half a dozen punches in the whole fight. Ergo, he is shot.

MTF

 

Youre the one missing the point. The reason that chisora didnt throw was that Fury was moving constantly. AJ never showed he could fight that way. His game is to get in people face. And even if he could, i dont think he has the stamina to dance like that for a whole fight. Hell give a lot more oportunity to Chisora than Fury did

 

Just to clarify, I'd favour Joshua over any version of Chisora. This version of Chisora stands VERY little chance, practically zero chance in fact, but a younger Chisora would not get blown away so easily.

 

I totally disagree.

MTF

 

I agree with that. Chisora was rightly considered fairly durable until Haye lit him up. He'd have gone some rounds before being stopped.

MTF

 

Chisora was on the bill last night. I'd bet on Joshua getting the job done inside one round. The mind believes you've got what it takes, but your body tells you otherwise.

 

The guy Chisora fought may well be one of the very worst people ever featured on a PPV card. Dreadful.

MTF

 

Yet he was able to touch Chisora with the right hand. Says it all.

 

I think part of it is that many have been waiting for Joshua to be EXPOSED or have been calling for his chin to get checked and now that it has, I think there is an overreaction.

The names of fighters we can count who endured rough moments on the way up is long. I'd have been more worried if he didn't fight back and just gave up because of adversity. If nothing else, I think Joshua has proven he has the capability to keep improving, seeing as he's come a long way from his pro debut.

If Joshua would have blown away Whyte like he has everyone else, I don't think we'd be hearing anything other than he "hasn't been through adversity."

 

For me it is simple. We have now seen what happens to Joshua when he gets hit. He is hurtable. He doesn't know yet to cover up properly or to hold to buy himself time. But we also know that he can come back and win despite being hurt. Good and bad.

MTF

 

All Things Considered, REED Came Away IMPRESSED...

15th Pro Bout, vs. a Young, Undefeated, 240+ lb Guy w/Pop, who Came to Win and was EMBOLDENED by Having a Victory Over Joshua...REED Doesn't Know How Dillian Whyte's Career will Play Out Henceforth, but he WON'T Be Easy Out for ANYBODY...There's Skill and Nuance to His Game that's VERY Apparent...If REED Isn't Mistaken, Whyte's a 3rd Generation Prizefighter & it Shows...Fighting Seems NATURAL for Him & There's a FLUIDITY that Comes w/that...

Joshua's Still VERY Much a Work in Progress, but You HAVE to Be Impressed w/his HEART, STRENGTH, POWER (In his Right Hand) and INFIGHTING Ability, for a Man his Size...It's Obviously SAFER to Operate in Space, but Joshua is Proving He DOESN'T Necessarily Need it, to Be Successful...His 1-2 is a Certified Heavyweight WEAPON...REED Would like to See Him HOOK Off the Jab a Bit More Though & Become More IMAGINATIVE Overall, w/his Arsenal of Shots...Pretty Good Handspeed for a Man his Size...Virtually NO Head Movement, However...

Joshua Showed True TOUGHNESS in Round 2, in REED's Opinion...Whyte Hurt Him w/a Shot High to the Head and Landed about 3 MEATY Bodyshots, yet Joshua NEVER Tasted the Canvas...REED Doesn't Think Joshua was "Badly" Hurt, as Some have Suggested..."Badly" Insinuates he was on the Brink of Being KO'ed or Something, Which Wasn't the Case...Joshua WAS Hurt Though, No Doubt...But he RESPONDED like a Champ...Would've Been VERY Easy for him to Come Unglued, Given the PSYCHOLOGICAL Hurdle Whyte Represented...Says a LOT about Joshua's Mettle that he Weathered the Brief Storm and Whipped Whyte's Ass...In STYLE, No Less...

REED's Also Hearing Joshua's Stamina Being Questioned, Which Doesn't Make Much Sense...Joshua Has a Pretty HIGH Workrate for a Heavy and he was in an EMOTIONAL Battle vs. an Undefeated Foe...@ NO Point Did he Look Dead on his Feet or Ready to Collapse from Exhaustion...

All in All, REED Would Rate Last Nights Performance a B+/A-....





REED

 

1. You Say that as if Joshua's STIFF...Sure, Whyte was the Looser, More FLUID Fighter, but it's Not as if Joshua was ROBOTIC...

2. He has Pretty Good Heavyweight Handspeed, in REED's Opinion...His Footwork Can Be a Bit Deliberate at Times, Though is Balance and Leverage are Typically On Point...

3. Joshua Could Afford to WIDEN his Stance at Times, Which Would Eliminate This...

4. If This WERE the Case, Joshua Would've Been DROPPED in Round 2...Whyte DRILLED him to the Body No Fewer than 3 Times in that Round, ALL of Which Got Joshua's Attention...But Again, if he COULDN'T "Take It", he'd have Taken a Knee, @ the Very Least....

5. He's Not Tex Cobb, but REED Can't Say he was ALARMED by Joshua Being Hurt Last Night...Whyte's Got 13 KO's in 16 Fights and Caught an Over Aggressive Joshua w/a Counter he DIDN'T See Coming...

6. Definitely Has "Jailhouse Muscles", ie., ZERO Emphasis on his Lower Extremities...

7. Few, if ANY Of Today's Heavyweights Remains SHARP when Fatigue Sets In...That Fight Ending Salvo Certainly Wasn't Sloppy...

8. Needs to Work on Head Movement, for Sure...Fact Is, When You PURSUE KO's, You're Bound to Get Hit...





REED

 

I don't see Chisora having much chance against Joshua but I agree partly with JoM too.

Fury beat Chisora easily as he was constantly moving and made Chisora look even worse than he really is. Chisora is useful when he gets inside and he has only been beaten by top-3 guys of the division (Helenius fight was a highway robbery). Joshua's style suits him much better than Fury's. Also, Fury is still underrated by many

That being said, this version of Chisora is no match against Joshua. Whyte was able to return some of the fire because he was big enough, he had the reach to do so. Chisora is much smaller guy and seems clearly slower now than he was when Haye beat his ass. I'd pick Joshua to destroy him in four rounds, though unlike against Fury Chisora might land a punch or two

 

THIS...

Boxing Fans Complain about a Guy "Not Being Tested", Yet When he IS, All of a Sudden his Chin and Stamina Come Under Fire....Last Time REED Checked, WEATHERING Adversity was a GOOD Thing...Granted, if it Becomes a Fight by Fight Occurrence, It ISN'T...




REED

 

Excellent post Reed. I thought Joshua got carried away by the occasion and who was in front of him and got reckless, leading to him getting hurt in the second. He literally ran right into that shot. Once he settled down and fought the fight, not the occasion, he looked much better. He was hurt but not as badly as people are making out, if you see the replay it's obvious he still has his wits about him.

The defence clearly needs work though, as Feebs said earlier he is a sucker for right hands at the moment. He's an inside fighter so like you say he will get hit a bit more. He's more of a Bowe than a Lewis, stylewise.

I'm looking forward to seeing more of Whyte too, hopefully that knockout doesn't ruin him, he's a talented kid.

 

C+ is the best grade I can give the guy. I would love to have seen him vs the Vitali of the Chisora fight,

 

Why would you like to see a kid with 15 fights against a seasoned, championship level veteran?

How about letting Joshua learn and develop before finding out how good he really is?