***SPOILERS****STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS official full trailer

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Oh and....

Princess Leia said Obi Wan had served her father in the Clone wars. Which father of Leia did Obi Wan serve in the clone wars?
In the Originals it was said that Vader had apparently Hunted down and killed the Jedi (in the prequel the clones suddenly turned on the Jedi and shot them in the back).


George Lucas didn't even try to make things consistent. Instead he suddenly thought it was a good idea to have Anakin be the creator of C3PIO (for what reason?). He thought it was a good idea to have Boba Fett be the son of Jango Fett (well his clone raised as his son...again for what reason?). Boba Fett saw his father killed by the Jedi...I ask...SO WHAT? It's not like Boba Fett had it in for the Jedi in the originals...he was just a bounty hunter..after the likes of Han Solo.

The list goes on.

Lucas is a motherfucking idiot...and someone should have captured and tortured him already.

As someone mentioned...they need to REMAKE the prequels...and have a director/screenwriter that respects the original story that we all grew up on.

 

I agREED with all you said except the last part. Fuck the prequels, keep the story moving forward as it should be.

 

For now, I agree completely. Continue the current story and finish the sequel trilogy. THEN...after 2025 or something someone needs to go back and remake the prequels.

 

I know about Bail Organa. When did Obi Wan serve Bail Organa?

Regarding Storm Troopers...

So why then did Lucas decide to go back and change the originals (Episodes IV, V and VI) to ensure that all the STs had the voice of Jango Fett, if this wasn't an inconsistency? Think about it.

 

So Obi Wan serving under the galactic senate, and Organa being a senator, is the way to interpret Leia's words? That's weak.

Regarding teh clone/storm troopers...

That's just some cunts who tried to make sense of what Lucas did in the prequels and attempt to tie it in. I'm sure that history was written AFTER the prequels. But in any event, for argument sake, if that is true then I must ask you again why did Lucas feel the need to go back and change the original films to have the storm troopers sound like Jango Fett?

 

Fair enough on the Obi Wan Bail Organa point.

Initially the storm troopers WERE NOT Clones of Fett. That was written in subsequently to try to tie the accounts in. I challenge you to find a book written prior to the prequel trilogy that suggests that the storm troopers were clones.

By the way I like the fact that there was no mention of "Sith" in this one as well as that neither of the darkside force wielders had the name "Darth".

 

Nonsense.

If a guy creates something great and gives it to people, he can't destroy it without expecting a backlash. Is a fertility doctor blameless if he murders the child that he helped a couple procreate? Should they just thank him for helping them get pregnant and forget that he killed it? It's an extreme point, I know, but the analogy works.

 

I gave you a list of inconsistencies...and long list, and this is by no means a complete list. And like I said...Vader is the central character of teh series (when you consider both the originals and the prequels) and he utterly destroyed Vader. Lucas is the one who fucked up, not the fans. Star Wars is in better hands now. Lucas was a good visionary, and I credit him for coming up with teh concept and his work done on the first film...but after that he was crap. Empire Strikes Back is generally considered to be the best film in the franchise and that was teh film (aside from this most recent one) in which he had teh least involvement...and teh one he likes the least. That tell you a great deal about him.

 

It's pointless me arguing with you on this because the inconsistencies are well documented and there's no way to justify them. So if you're hellbent on justifying that which cannot be justified I'm wasting my time. Why anyone would defend what Lucas did to the prequels is beyond me. I can only conclude that you were not a true star wars fan in the 70s and 80s. It's not just me complaining and pointing out these things...every motherfucking star wars fan is on the same page. It's only little kids born since 2000 and guys who never saw the originals that like the prequels.

 

This movie sucks. Keep your money in your pocket.


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It's basically a fucking remake of Episode IV. They are stealing our money. How come all these critics are not mentioning this?

 

Some are mentioning it, even myself in this thread.

 

Jumping into the previous prequels debate, I'll have to say that both Anthony & Sly are right in their comments. The prequels had a LOT of discrepancies & mistakes as well as amateurish dialogue and some cringe worthy acting, BUT they were not the crappiest pieces of shit many state they are. They had some great things going on and some memorable characters too. For example: 'The Phantom Menace' Darth Maul was a great creation, but Lucas blew it by having him killed in the very first film. :doh: and that 'Duel of Fates' lightsabers fight was better than ALL the original trilogy ones. Plus we got our first black master Jedi, Mace Windu none other than motherfucker Samuel L. Jackson! 'Attack of The Clones' ground battle on Geonosis was plain epic. Yoda vs Dooku was a real treat (even though it didn't made sense!). 'Revenge of the Sith' the intro space battle was neat, sure, I was not enthusiastic about spider-arms, bronchitis suffering General Grievous nor of Obi Wan riding a dumb salamander, but the over-the-top performance of Ian Mcdiarmid as Palpatine revealing himself as the Sith Lord was great and created the needed balance with Anakin's descend to the dark side. His confrontation with Yoda was all I wanted from those two. AND that long lightsaber duel at Mustafar between evil Anakin and his former master/friend Obi Wan Kenobi was plain awesome. Jar Jar has only one brief cameo which was appreciated.

Yes, the prequels have a bunch of mistakes, but guess what? so does the original trilogy AND this new one too, "The Force Awakens". So lets keep things in perspective.

 

You are in the minority.

You are the one guy in a band that's out of step with everyone else...and you are thinking that the rest got it wrong.

 

I saw the new movie today. It was fun. It's a far better movie than Episode 1, except for the light saber battles. Prime Obi Wan and Darth Maul were far greater fighters than anyone in this one.

I'm not a big fan of Han Solo's son. He seems a little whiny and weak for a dark lord in training.

 

Agreed that the prequels had some good aspects. No star wars fan says they didn't. Everyone likes Darth Maul and Qui Gon Jinn. Great Characters. Mace Windu also. Count Dooku too.

The problem with the prequels was primarily the GLARING inconsistencies with the backstory introduced in Episodes IV, V and VI, and what George Lucas did to Anakin/Vader character; both in terms of the writing as well as the casting. The prequel's had some fun moments and some good action...but were SHIT because they didn't belong in the story that we were expecting. And of course Jar Jar Binks...kiddie Jedi..Jango Fett Clones, midicholrians, Aliens with chinese, italian and jamaican accents.

We heard about these "clone wars" and how Anakin was a hero in the clone wars etc...and never saw any of that on screen. Lucas just skipped past the clone wars altogether.

So films with fun elements but an abomination to the star wars universe.

 

Shit franchise.

 

What about the inconsistencies in 'Return of The Jedi'? Oh, wait Luke (and audience): Leia, the girl you had a crush on and kissed you deep in 'Empire' and gave you a hard-on is in fact YOUR TWIN SISTER! Oh, and Ben Kenobi said the Vader 'betrayed and murdered your father' well, what he really meant to say that it was all metaphorical from a certain point of view! :ant: oh, and by the way, since Leia is now your sister, she has the Force too making her the 'another' that Yoda mentioned! Did Obi Wan suffered amnesia under the Tatooine sun? and what about those cute Ewoks who were there only to sell stuffed toys? ewoks defeating the Empire elite troops with only rocks and arrows?? GTFOH!!!

 

Oh...I agree. George Lucas was heavily involved with Return of the Jedi too and was making shit up as he went along. That's why Star Wars fans always point to Empire as being teh best one followed by Episode IV and tend to criticize ROTJ.

My point is: George Lucas is a shit stick...and the franchise is in much better hands now than it was with him at the helm.

 

When can we talk directly about The Force Awakens. I'm guessing everyone here has seen it already.

 

Let's talk openly about it now. I'm sure everyone here has seen it already.

 

The problem with the prequels wasn't so much the story as the execution. You take the same stories, give it a better cast and dialogue, and they would fit right in. But the acting is so terrible in the films (with the exception of Christopher Lee and Liam Neeson) and the dialogue so cheesy and lame, it's laughable.

The frustration of the prequels isn't over what they are, it's because they're not what they should have been.

TFK