Making a Murderer

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  1. TKO

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    What a sad fact. I really hope the doc has destroyed that guys career.
     
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    Steven Avery had a really good defense lawyer team. If you don't have the money, than you are fucked. You have to deal with the lawyer that the state appoints for you.
     
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    Aye but those guys are so poor you would have to question the process /exams to even become a lawyer in the first place. Look at how sharp Bunting & Strang were compared to the rest. It's night and day...

    So, do you think Avery is innocent?
     
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    Rainmaker "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Yes I believe he is innocent. The first things the cops did when the victim was missing was pointing in Avery's direction. There is just no evidence that Avery did this, so he should have been released. Let me repeat what I posted before.

    The most troubling stuff:
    - There was only DNA of Steven Avery on the key. No DNA of the victim.
    - The DNA analyst was called by detective Fassbender and he asked him to put the victim's DNA on the bullet. The analyst wrote this on a note and admitted that this happened. I can't believe that Fassbender and the analyst were not prosecuted for this. How could they have continued the trial with shit like this happening? The judge should have ended this immediately imo.
    - There was no traces of blood or DNA from the victim found in Steven Avery's trailer or in his garage, while the prosecuters claimed that she was stabbed and shot 11 times. A professional would have been needed to erase DNA evidence like that
    - Blood was removed from the tube that had Avery's blood in it. The seal of the box had been cut.
    - They claimed Steven Avery's blood was in the car. But why would Steven put the woman in the car if he killed her in the garage and burned her next to the trailer?

    There was no evidence against Avery, yet he was convicted to life in prison. Unbelievable. I had to hold my tears a couple of times. Hopefully justice will be served.



    On November 2nd 8 pm someone deleted voicemail messages from her phone and her ex-boyfriend had the password. So he probably deleted them. Why did he delete them? He should have been the prime suspect.

    Isn't it weird that an ex-boyfriend hacks the account of the woman?

     
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    Well, when the FBI say the blood is legit it's very difficult to release the guy. Speaking of blood, when they opened the 'sealed' evidence box and the vial was clearly tampered with - that was a shocking moment, my jaw hit the ground. The whole case stinks
     
  6. Anthony

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    Well they only checked 3 samples out of the 6 samples of blood. And the test they used was actually not a normal practice.
     
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    btw, the key only having Avery's DNA isnt proof of anything IMO. if Avery wiped the key clean, then it would make sense only his DNA would be on it.
     
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    Bunting also brought in a female expert who testified that the metgod used by the FBI dis not prove that the blood did not come out of the vial.
     
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    Rainmaker "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    My jaw hit the ground when it became clear rhat detective Fassbender called the DNA expert and told her to but Bachmans DNA on the bullet.
     
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    yeah but she didnt prove that it did either.
     
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    I hear ya... but the FBI said it was his blood - that must hold a lotta weight in a court room
     
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    Yep, another WTF moment. Up until that point, I thought Fassbender was being played by the local cops
     
  13. Rainmaker

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    The game is rigged TKO. The detectives and prosecuters weren't after the truth. They just wanted to win the case and get Avery behind bars.
     
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    Rainmaker "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    And what about the witness that said that Teresa many times didn't answer her phone? She said 'oh no not him again'. Someone was constantly stalking her with phonecalls. The witness offered to answer the phone and tell him not to call anymore. This was probably the ex boyfriend. The same ex boyfriend that hacked her voicemail and deleted messages. The same boyfriend that can't remember the last time he saw her. Why wasn't this guy a suspect? It is clear that in most cases the killer is someone close to the victim. Yet, the boyfriend wasn't aa suspect.
     
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    There is so much wrong with this case. Avery needs to be released immediately.
     
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    It gets weirder. The one juror that happened to leave because of an accident involving his daughter, happened to be the juror that wanted to vote AGAINST conviction. Coincidence? I don't think so. One of the jurors was the father of one of the local cops and he wanted Avery to get convicted. Another juror that wanted to vote against conviction fealed threathened by the cops father and that is why he voted for conviction. Take a look at what the juror and his daughter had to say on facebook. The van in front of the daughter suddenly slammed the breaks and she rear-ended them. The cops were there within two minutes while she didn't call 911 and there wasn't a police station in the area where they were. Someone needs to get Steven Avery out of jail as soon as possible and someone must prosecute these cops.

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    Rainmaker "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    This is what juror Richard Mahler had said:

    After the trial, I found out ... [one juror] was the father of a Manitowoc County Sheriff's deputy. Another juror, his wife works for the Manitowoc County Clerk's Office ... I thought to myself, they shouldn't have been on the jury. That was a conflict of interest.

    http://www.bustle.com/articles/1337...s-over-the-jury-selection-in-the-murder-trial

    Even the jury selection was fucked up. Free Steven Avery !!!
     
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    Mahler also told People about a concerning conversation he allegedly had with one of the sitting jurors after the trial had ended (the "when he was younger" comment likely refers to Avery's prior criminal history, having once burglarized a bar and, more worryingly, immolated a cat). Mahler's recall of the conversation is the only evidence that it actually happened.
    ... his statement was, 'Just think of all those things he did when he was younger.' I thought to myself, 'Are you serious?' This trial was supposed to be based on the evidence that was presented to us. You're telling us that you convicted him based on what he did when he was younger. I did a lot of bad things when I was younger. That doesn't mean I deserve to be locked up for life.
     
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    [h=3]Federal Judge Throws Out Brendan Dassey’s Conviction[/h] by Rachel Stockman | 4:07 pm, August 12th, 2016
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    [​IMG]A federal judge has thrown out Brendan Dassey‘s conviction, and ordered that Dassey be released from prison, unless within 90 days of the date of his decision, the state of Wisconsin initiates proceedings to re-try him. Dassey’s conviction was put into the spotlight after the Netflix hit documentary, Making a Murderer.
    In 2007,Dassey was convicted of murdering freelance photographer Teresa Halbach. His videotaped confession played a pivotal role in his conviction even though Dassey later recanted. However, in a decision released late Friday afternoon, federal Judge William Duffin found the confession “involuntary” under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.
    Here is the critical section from federal Judge Duffin’s decision explaining why he threw the conviction out:

    …the state courts unreasonably found that the investigators never made Dassey any promises during the March 1, 2006 interrogation. The investigators repeatedly claimed to already know what happened on October 31 and assured Dassey that he had nothing to worry about. These repeated false promises, when considered in conjunction with all relevant factors, most especially Dassey’s age, intellectual deficits, and the absence of a supportive adult, rendered Dassey’s confession involuntary under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments….
    IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED that Brendan Dassey’s petition for a writ of habeas corpus is GRANTED. The respondent shall release Dassey from custody unless, within 90 days of the date of this decision, the State initiates proceedings to retry him. See Jensen v. Schwochert, 2013 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 177420, 55 (E.D. Wis. Dec. 18, 2013). The Clerk shall enter judgment accordingly.



    LawNewz.com is going through the decision and will post more information as we get it.



    Here is the order:
    Brendan Dassey Order 8/12/2016
     

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