All time greats who lacked handspeed

I think Eder was pretty quick... at least definitely not slow

 

Probably one of the best reasons he abandoned his early career counter punching style

Had a lot more success just saying "fuck it" and daring his opponents to slug it out

 

One of the ten best Lt. Heavy champs, IMO

People see the terrible decline when it all (the brutal fights, the partying, the weight fluctuations) caught up with him but they forget that for about 4 years this guy was like Superman, indestructable

 

Erik morales. Dude looked like he was fighting in molasse.

Gattis wasnt slow, and wasnt an atg

 

Yeah, Morales is a good example. Erik never had particularly quick hands.

 

That's an understatement. Dude was slow as a snail

 

That's a bit of an overstatement. Slow as a snail is someone like Ben Tackie.

Morales had "okay" handspeed, but it's certainly never been his strong suit. And compared to other HOFmers, Morales' handspeed is on the lower tier.

 

I dunno man...if Morales is slow then so too is Lennox Lewis. I mean compare Lewis with Heavyweights with fast hands: Ali, Patterson, Tyson, Louis, Holyfield. Significantly slower. You may say..."oh but Lewis is a giant and those guys are small". Well Wlad is noticeably faster than Lewis when he lets his hands go....and fat Tony Tubbs had blazing hands.

Lewis should be on this list if you're going to include Hagler and Chavez.

 

Lewis was not slow. He was a bit clumsy in the early 90s, but you see in the Ruddock fight a man with very dangerous handspeed for his size. Look no further than that first right hand he dropped Ruddock with. VERY fast right hand. The ending combination that left Ruddock out cold was very fast as well.

 

Well I can counter....

look at the 5th round of the first Morales Barrera fight. Some of those Morales combinations were very fast.

 

Morales never struck me as particularly slow to be honest. He wasn't blazing fast but he wasn't exactly a slouch.

 

Pretty hard (if not impossible) to be successful around the featherweight division and be a slouch in hand speed regardless of how tough you are.

 

The welterweight George Foreman Pipino Cuevas

 

Marciano

 

Lewis was pretty fast imo. As X said, he was a bit oafish, which could make you think he was slow, but when he threw punches, they were rather fast. I'm shocked that some of you think that Morales wasn't slow. FOr me, he's about as slow as an elite lowerweight fighter can be, . Weird that thee perception of something that should be as objective as handspeed, is in fact very subjective.

 

Time to add a whole bunch to this thread...because Ray Robinson made a career out of feasting on slow mos...

Carmen Basilio
Gene Fulmer
Jake Lamotta
Rocky Graziano

 

All time great and a few are not even TOP 10 in SRR great resume.....3 of those guys would sodomize floyd in the ring....and out let keep it real.

 

Floyd would have beaten all of those motherfuckers with consummate ease. Potshot clinic.

 

rocky graziano? all time great? :atu:

 

I thought he was generally considered to be a great. I guess not...

 

Maybe to Bert Sugar

 

No, just involved in a few great fights. Better than Gatti but kind of in that class of being known for wars.

 

Cool.

Well with some of the bums that people consider greats these days, I assumed he'd be on the list too.

 

By time he died I had become convinced that all these years the guy had us fooled. That was no cigar in his mouth. The man cut off the penis of Harry Greb, and sucked on it til his dying day.

 

That's a good one.

I couldn't stand Bert Sugar....with his annoying cigar in mouth and hat gimmick, not to mention his opinions on historical greats.

 

What pissed me off the most about him was that he really wasn't particularly OLD, he just pretended he was

he wasnt Don Dunphy's age ... He was a generation younger... He acted like he was sitting in The Polo Grounds with Damon Runyon in 1912 reporting on Christy Mathewson's fastball when in actuality he was only 5 years older than Muhammad Ali!

 

Bert Sugar did not consider Michael Spinks a top 100 fighter all-time.

He was generally looked upon as a good exciting fighter but far from great. Small for middleweight and definitely fought his share of smaller guys, and his famous wars with Zale came when Zale was past his prime.

His schtick was annoying.

He wasn't 1/100th the writer/historian that the great Jack Newfield was.

LOL.

Him or Jack Dempsey.