Punch power categories

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by Destruction and Mayhem, May 10, 2016.

  1. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Let's have some fun.

    Let's bucket punching power into categories from 1 to 10

    Category 1 is one punch lights out frightening devastating power and category 10 is " can't punch your way out of a wet paper bag.

    Category 2 is devastating power driven typically by snap but not quite as concussive as category 1 etc

    Let me start :

    Category 1: Julian Jackson , Gerard McClellan, Ernie Shavers, Naseem Hamed
    Category 2: Hearns, Tyson, foreman, Louis, Lewis, Benn, Liston , Robinson
    Category 3: Marciano, Frazier, Trinidad, Bowe, Klitschko, Jones , corrales,
    Category 4: Eubank, GGG, Duran, De La Hoya,Judah, cotto, Pacquiao
    Category 5: Hagler, Chavez, Mosley, morales, Norton, Canelo
    Category 6: Leonard, Holyfield, Marquez, Barrera, mayweather, Ali
    Category 7:
    Category 8
    Category 9
    Category 10

    Fill in the rest because I've run out of time. Lol

    I look forward to the discussion.
     
  2. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Under NO fucking circumstances whatsoever was McClellan a better or bigger puncher than Tyson.

    Mike was wrecking guys KNOWN for having tough chins. McClellan was not.

    And LMAOOOOOOOO @ putting Leonard and Floyd in the same power category. That's rich...

    Leonard was a better puncher than Floyd. I don't mean just in an absolute sense, P4P as well.

    Lumping Leonard in with Barrera as a puncher is a horrible insult to Ray, but I fully expect it from you.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2016
  3. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    I'm BEGGING for you to explain to us what makes Canelo a better puncher than Leonard. I'd LOOOVVVEEEEE to hear the reasoning. Why? Because he KO'd Khan and Kirkland with one punch? Sooooooo impressive...

    Fragile ass Cotto wouldn't have seen the later rounds with Leonard, nevermind the distance.

    Austin Trout wouldn't have seen more than 6 rounds against Leonard.

    Leonard against Kirkland and Khan? LMAO! You could have both those bums try to jump Ray at the same time, and you're still looking at a Leonard KO 1.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2016
  4. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Free free to share your category list instead of complaining you cantankerous high yella nigga!!!! ;)
     
  5. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    youre an idiot if you evaluate punching power that way. Ali stopped Bonavena and Frazier didn't do it in two tries. Mayweather knocked down corralled 5 times yet Freitas couldn't do that even once. Who were the harder punchers in those scenarios? Don't let me continue to school you on boxing
     
  6. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    I fail to see how Canelo is a harder puncher than Leonard.

    CHINS matter. Please let me know when Canelo stops a guy known for his chin.

    Kirkland and Khan have arguably the two worst chins in boxing history.
     
  7. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Canelo has heavier hands than Leonard did. Leonard would likely KO some guys than Canelo couldn't simply because he's more aggressive, throws more punches and is the better finisher.

    We're not talking about finishing ability here or aggression, JUST power! Just power. Is that too hard to understand?
     
  8. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    47,689
    Likes Received:
    5,362
    Malinaggi would have to be near the bottom.
     
  9. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    And I'm asking you.... WHERE IS THE POWER????? No, not on Khan or Kirkland... where is the power on anybody else?

    He hit Cotto with literally EVERYTHING he had, and Cotto was never in serious trouble. Which was shocking to me, as I thought the little stocky bitch was a bigger puncher. I picked him by late stoppage.

    But no, with all his vaunted power, he never put a dent on Miguel Cotto...
     
  10. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Paulie can at least use the excuse that he had shit hands.

    I'd put Baby Cow Diaz at the bottom. Diaz had no hand problems, and put full force into every shot, and STILL couldn't break a paper bag.
     
  11. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    47,689
    Likes Received:
    5,362
    Yeah that's true. With Diaz it really looked like he was putting effort into his shot. Planting his feet, getting body rotation etc. but just no results.
     
  12. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Hamed didn't stop Barrera but Pacquiao did. Do you think Pacquiao had heavier hands than Hamed ?
     
  13. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,425
    Likes Received:
    1,567
    I think Canelo is a good puncher, but I fail to see how he is a better puncher than Leonard.

    Leonard stopped the likes of Hearns, Benitez, and Kalule. I don't see Canelo stopping those guys at 154, and in don't even need to ask what would happen to the likes of Angulo, Khan, and Kirkland at the hands of Leonard.

    And I don't see the likes of Lara, Trout, Cotto, and old Mosley going the distance with Leonard either.

    For me, Leonard is a better/harder puncher than Canelo.
     
  14. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    asbi said before punch power isn't the only determination as to who gets stopped. Ruddock couldn't stop Tyson but Holyfield did. Canelo isn't particularly busy whereas Leonard was. But one off punches, canelos hands were heavier
     
  15. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    But... but....but... he knocked out A Mere Con with one punch!! One punch I tell ya! On KHAN!

    Leonard must not know.... Canelo don't fuck around!
     
  16. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Who has Leonard one punch KO 'd?
     
  17. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Green was a one punch KO you fool.

    It was TECHNICALLY a 4-punch combo, but the first 3 shots were throw aways.

    It was ONE LEFT HOOK that stretched Green.

    Dave Green = Better chin than Khan and Kirkland

    Green was actually out COLDER than Khan and Kirkland.

    It looked like Ray had literally killed Green.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2016
  18. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,425
    Likes Received:
    1,567
    [video=youtube_share;H7BflNP4zBE]http://youtu.be/H7BflNP4zBE[/video]

    Not a one punch KO but a prime example of Leonard's speed and power against a guy who had never been KO'd.
     
  19. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib

    That might be the worst ref I've ever seen.
     
  20. Bordon

    Bordon Undisputed Champion

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,206
    Likes Received:
    20
    Marquez was a very good puncher. He belongs a class or two higher. Eubank a harder hotter than Hagler?
     
  21. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,868
    Likes Received:
    1,877
    10 categories is too granular. we as simple spectators can't possibly discern such subtle differences. i propose 5 or even 3.
     
  22. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    5 is possible, 3 is ludicrous. 7 is probably the perfect number. Everything is in 7s
     
  23. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    One punch power...most definitely. Hagler was more likely to get a KO because of his workrate, and finishing ability (and proclivity) but Eubank's right hand was a harder punch than any Hagler punch. Hagler's power tends to be overrated as a result of the Hearns KO.
     
  24. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    7 categories

    1. Jackson
    2. Tyson
    3. Trinidad
    4. GGG
    5. Leonard
    6. Ali
    7. The Featherfists
     
  25. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,868
    Likes Received:
    1,877
    what pcts of total would you attribute to each of those? is jackson a 1 percenter?
     
  26. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    25,584
    Likes Received:
    3,827
    Location:
    West London
    I dunno, Pac was a brutal puncher at the lower weights (as was Hamed, obviously)
     
  27. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Perhaps but so what? Bill Gates is a one percenter in terms of net worth. Should I place him in the same category as a guy with a net worth of a few million?
     
  28. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Crazy as it sounds, I think Tyson is actually UNDERRATED as a puncher.

    There's no puncher in history who's a full TIER above Mike as a puncher. Not even Jackson.

    Tier 1 punchers are guys like Jackson, Tyson, Foster, Hearns, Foreman, ect..

    Tier 2 punchers are guys like Trinidad, Rosario, Rodrigo Valdez
     
  29. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    25,584
    Likes Received:
    3,827
    Location:
    West London
    I think Lewis hit as hard as Tyson
     
  30. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Tyson vs Ruddock fights tells you that he's tier 2. Bruno fights too. But tier two is very high. Jackson was just on a different level .
     

Share This Page