From 135 to 154 how does it go? Obviously Shane was depleted by the time they actually fought and so nothing much can be gauged from that fight, so don't even bring up that fight Xplosive..., but what happens prime for prime ? Pacquiao beats Shane at every weight, that's what. Better fighter , too much workrate, matches Shane for speed and if they fought pacquiao would actually appear faster because of his workrate. Pacquiao by decision at every weight. To beat a prime Pacquiao you have to be a clever counter puncher or have an authoritative Jab. Shane was had neither. He can't beat the Filipino no way style wise
Shane knocks him out at any weight if we're talking prime-for-prime. Well, we can only really say 135 and 147, since Shane never fought at 140. So, at 135 and 147, prime Shane by KO.
To put it in perspective Pac's coming out party as a truly effective welter was a ud against Margarito when pac was in his prime. Mosley dominating and knocking Margarito out when he was past his prime was considered a glimpse of what he used to be. Being a "phenom" against Erik Morales and MAB is a bit different than against Mosley...
And to expand on that...darting in out, picking apart two slow guys with alligator arms like Hatton and Cotto is a lot different than doing so against a man FASTER than yourself. Jesus Christ, Shane Mosley is underrated on this forum. He's honestly treated like he was no better than Tim Bradley.
Manny Pacquaio was NEVER durable enough to handle a young Mosley's firepower. And make no mistake, Mosley WOULD land big. This is without even mentioning what Mosley's body attack would do to Pac.
Perspective ? I'll give you perspective, watch how each performed against Cotto. But all of this is irrelevant. Hagler went 15 hard rounds with Duran. Hearns decimated Duran, Hagler destroyed Hearns. Pacquiao doesn't stop throwing and it's not with reckless abandon its with unpredictability and variety. When you consider the styles clash, Pacquiao beats Shane clearly.
Mosley is faaaaaaaaaar from underrated on this forum. People love this guy and act like he's an ATG. Pacquiao is a legitimate ATG and people act like Shane is a lock to beat him. Pacquiao was much better than Shane.
Watch how each performed against Cotto? Hmmm.... let's see. Shane fought a PEAK Cotto when he himself was a good 6 years past his peak. And it was an extremely close fight. Pac fought Cotto when he (Pac) was at his VERY peak, and when Cotto was never truly 100% again after the Marg fight. THAT'S putting it into perspective.
X not everyone is damaged by. KO loss. Hearns bounced back to his previous best after losing to Hagler. Louis came back after losing to Schmeling. History has often shown otherwise. Cotto went on to knock out Martinez at middleweight a guy that had beaten both pavlik and Williams. Pac fought THE Cotto. Anyway, Shane is lucky pac wasn't around during Shane's prime. If he was, there would not be this annoying enduring Mosley legend.
Mosley via TKO. Pac never had the jab to control him on the outside nor the size to bully him inside. Mosley is faster, stronger, and more powerful. He beats him bad.
Lawd have mercy! Y'all really don't know what time it is! How on earth can you not see the damage Pacquiao would always do to Shane? I was screaming this same thing before the Forrest fight, at least then the fight wasn't mythical
Mosley is totally overrated. At 147, he looked good in like 3 fights, one of them against Adrien Stone. Pac is in a whole other league.
Pac's reign at 147 is a farce. Prime De La Hoya is a better win than anything Manny did at 147 lbs. This isn't even up for debate. Even if Oscar fought a dumb fight against Shane the first time, there is nothing on Manny's resume at 147 that trumps that. Stylistically, Pac is not a guy that would beat Mosley. He's outgunned in size, speed, power, and strength. And it's not like he's a smart boxer. He would inevitably FIGHT with Shane and in a brawl where he comes up on the short end of the physical advantages, it's hard for me to envision him coming up on the winning end. And if this fight is at 147 lbs, even less so. Mosley is simply too big, too strong, and yes, too fast. I don't see HOW Manny wins this one.
Would whole other league Pacquiao had defeated a Prime DE LA HOYA??? NO....Would he have done better than get beaten by Forrest?? NO....so how is he other league?
Word. Aside from the de la Hoya fight in which Oscar criminally underestimated him, he beat Rivera, wise, Diaz, Taylor and stone. That is it. Pacquiao would have decimated each one of those bums as well. If Oscar came after Pacquiao in that one dimensional fashion Pacquiao would have done a number on him too.
Considering the years..and years in the amateur that De La Hoya spent dominating Mosley...yes De La Hoya seriously underestimated Shane Mosley.... :Burns:
Shit....De La Hoya didn't underestimate Pacquiao at all.......after years of declining....after years of being SHOT.....yet then he goes on to fight puggie at WELTERWEIGHT a division he had not fought at in almost a decade.
Pac beat the shit out of Cotto, turned Clottey into a shell, beat Bradley very handily and turned (an extremely old and faded) Mosely into a glove-tapping good ol' boy. Floyd basically ran a mile from fighting him for five years. I'm not really sure who else he was supposed to fight? :dunno: To call his reign 'a farce' is pretty harsh. MTF
Threads like these just highlight how pac and Floyd took advantage of a weak era. There are people that are still in awe of them dominating guys that would be fringe contenders in deeper eras. Floyd ducked Margarito and he's Pacs best win at the weight yet a shot to shit Shane Mosley destroyed him like a guy like Margarito was supposed to be destroyed. If margarita fought in the Tito/DLH/Quartey era that's what would've happened but more often. Yet this slow, crude bum was the boogie man of the division. He was no better than Yory Boy Campos or Jose Luis Lopez but they didn't get to shine like he did.
I basically agree with the spirit of your post but Margarito was better than fucking Yori Boy Campas, for christ's sake
Margarito and Cotto were good wins. Bradley had a good resume coming in as well. He had a legit welter run. But I think what double and casual fans tend to forget is what made his run so special was that he was so little... He gets extra credit for that but it's not exactly going to help him in an actual fight against better guys than he fought. There's also the small matter of him being ktfo by a single punch from a career feather-weight.... Matching him against a prime Mosley is the ultimate. Mosley is bigger, just as fast, has the power to knock Pac out with one shot, and has a dependable chin. Pac has very little chance of winning. Sly and double are trying to look like seasoned boxing fans picking Pac because of skills and pedigree but they're looking posers and casual fans that aren't paying attention.
Maybe, but not by much. Him being anything better than decent is entirely based on the Cotto fight. In fact, so is Clottey. So is Ricardo Torres. So is Austin Trout. Cotto is also one of Pac and Floyds defining wins above lightweight. Cottos best win is over a past prime Shane Mosley.
