Fighters Floyd Mayweather Jr ducked?

If Floyd's resume is rubbish, then the same can be said about 99% of resumes in history.

If a guy can beat Canelo, Cotto, Pacquiao, Hatton, Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez, Judah, De La Hoya, Marquez, Mosley and even have some good B level former champions on his resume like Gatti, Mitchell, Berto, Baldomir, Jesus Chavez, Manfredy...and you say he has a bad resume, then what does that say about many fighters we call all time greats?

You're a nutter.

 

If Manny wasn't around, I think PBF would have got away with it. But I think that contrast between Pacman & PBF, coupled with PBF clearly being terrified of him, will be remembered by history (& non-fanboy fans)

 

On the contrary, history (& non-haters) will rank Mayweather along the likes of Robinson, Ali and the very best.

We don't see it now because he's only just retired and it's fashionable to hate on him but give it time but give it time and his accomplishments and abilities will be appreciated

 

People are picky. Saying mayweather jr ducked guys like paul williams ::

A 6'2 welterweight with an 80 inch reach who had zero fan base. Guy was fighting in ball rooms in front of 1500 people and you think any welterweight with a name was going to face him?

Not only that, one of the two noteworthy welter foes he faced made him look extremely silly

 

"Floyd Mayweather has fought the best and has beaten the best....he's retired more men than social security!" - As Apollo Creed would have put it.

 

It's rare that I defend Floyd anymore, but Paul fuckin Williams has to be one of the most overrated fighters of the last 25 years. Even moreso now, because people feel bad for him.

He was extremely limited and dumb as a box of crayons. Despite the huge height disparity, Floyd would have outclassed him without too many problems.

 

5 years after moving up to welter floyd, by various contrivances, still hadn't fought a top 3 rated welter. When he finally did it was a 38 year old coming off 18 months of inactivity. By that point he was already ducking the biggest fight in the sport, as he'd continue to for 5 more full years until the match up had dried up like a rasin in the sun. Had he not been ducking pac he probably wouldn't have been forced to get brave enough to fight shane and cotto. Floyd is a hustling, scheming wee prick to his socks and he deserves downgraded for it

 

I once heard Karl rove of Fox News spin Obamas reelection victory into a negative by saying he was the first president in X amount of years to be reelected with a smaller majority than when he won the first time. Lol, like that meant anything, considering he was the first president since FDR to get 51% of the popular vote in back to back elections.

People with hater agenda can spin things however they want to and what you've just done in this post is akin to republican Fox News spin.

Floyd moved up to welterweight and faced the linear champion and beat him and faced Zab Judah in just his 2nd welterweight fight ( Zab being the man who beat the man who beat the man and still in his prime). He fought the top jnr middleweight in De La Hoya who was considered more formidable than any welterweight at the time and he fought and beat the top jnr welterweight who was ranked higher p4p than any current welterweight not named Floyd.

Hagler made a career out of fighting highly ranked smaller fighters as did many other fighters.

Your Republican-Esque spin won't work here.

 

I see what you´re saying but, in a similar vein, doesn´t that make Sugar Ray Leonard a hustling schemer extraordinaire when he fought Marvellous Marvin Hagler in 1987:
* after setting up Hagler for a fight in 1984 and then ´retiring´
* waiting 3 years to comeback - probably predicting Hagler would at least wage in one or more ´wars´
* demanding and getting his ring-size, gloves-style, fight-length

That, imo, makes Mayweather waiting for Pacquiao to ´show vulnerability´...a mere bagatelle!!

Bottom-line here is, Mayweather, in hindsight of course, could and would have beaten Pacquiao at any weight at any time.

 

If there was anyone Mayweather would´ve ducked, it´d been rematches against Jose Luis Castillo and Marcos Maidana.

 

Sure, Boxing Fans Pick and Choose WHEN to Nitpick Resume's, but YOU'RE Just as Guilty Brother Sly, from the Opposite Side of the Coin...You Simply REFUSE to Assess Floyd's Post-Hatton Matchmaking for What it TRULY Was; CHERRY PICKING...

Yes, he Sprinkled In NAME Fighters, but they were Either SMALLER, Coming Off of Losses OR Never Quite that Good to Begin w/...

It's Floyd's Fault SOLELY, that the Pac Fight Happened PAST its "Sell By" Date...And Even in Fighting Pac, Floyd INSISTED on Unprecedented Testing Measures, Measures He Himself DID NOT Adhere To...Dude Got UNDOCUMENTED Injections Into his Hands (if REED Recalls Correctly)...Imagine if Pac Had the Benefit of Injections Into his Shoulder???...

Post Hatton, Floyd Took the Path of LEAST Resistance...That's Undeniable and it's Also a Big Reason Why REED Jumped OFF the Floyd Bandwagon...





REED:hammert:

 

agREED...

Hatton's a GOOD Win for Floyd...Floyd TOOK Hatton's "0" From Him...Doesn't Matter that Hatton "Struggled" w/Collazo Prior or Got RAPED by Pacquiao Afterwards...It was a GOOD Win for Floyd...

But POST-Hatton, Floyd was a Cherry Picking SumBitch...





REED:hammert:

 

Yep....

There Was Always that ONE Guy Everybody Wanted to See Floyd Fight...The Guy was Defeating Former Floyd Foes EASIER than Floyd Did...In Response, Floyd Brought Up Purse Splits, Promoters, and UNfuckingPRECEDENTED Drug Testing...

Clearly, Floyd was SHOOK by Manny Pacquiao...He Even FOUGHT Pacquiao Like he was SHOOK...




REED:hammert:

 

It's Not Soooooo Much about WHO Paul Williams Was, as Much as it's About Seeing Floyd in w/DIFFERENT Styles...

How Many 6'2, Volume Punching SOUTHPAWS Did Floyd Face in his Career???...




REED:scratcher:

 

Reed, you're my boy and all but this is nonsense.

Are you telling me that Canelo fight was cherry picking? Canelo was undefeated at the time and had beaten decent fighters. Cotto and Mosley were not coming off losses and Mosley certainly wasn't smaller than Mayweather.

Ortiz was a good win, Ortiz being the first man to beat Berto. That wasn't cherry picking either. MaidAna fight wasn't cherry picking. You're unfair where Mayweather is concerned, homie

 

Lol

 

You're probably laughing at the names of Ortiz, Berto and Maidana. Whether or not we laugh at them now....the fact is at the time when Floyd fought Ortiz, Ortiz was coming off the most impressive win of his career and that was against Berto who was previously undefeated at the time. So that wasn't a "cherry pick" type of fight. Ortiz was a legitimate opponent.

Maidana was limited, sure, but he had just done a number on Broner and previously beaten Ortiz...and Floyd was 38 or so at the time, so cut the old man some slack!!!

 

Yeah, Canelo Was Another Good Win...REED Forgot That One...Would've Been Nice if Floyd DIDN'T Enforce a Catchweight, but Canelo Did What he HAD to Do to Get a BIG Fight...Good Win for Floyd, Undoubtedly, Especially THE WAY he Fought Canelo...Forcing Canelo to Give Round, Back to the Ropes, Outmuscling Him @ Stages...

It's Pretty OBVIOUS Floyd COULD have Fought Cotto and Mosley Sooooooner than he Did Though...They BOTH had MILES on them by the Time Floyd Faced Them...No Different than Hatton Having Miles on Him by the Time Pacquiao KO'ed Him...

Ortiz Was, Is and Always WILL Be Shit Though, Homey...And Beating Berto, Who was CHINLESS Shit, Doesn't Change the Perception of Ortiz...Maidana was Sold as "New and Improved" and Despite Giving Floyd a TOUGHER than Expected Fight, REED Attributes that to Floyd's AGE, More than Anything...

Maidana's BEST Wins were Over Ortiz and Broner...Not Really Chest Thumping Victories There...





REED:hammert:

 

Lennox Lewis never fought a southpaw before....do you criticize him for not fighting Byrd?

 

Lummox Lewis never called himself the best fighter that ever lived.

 

Canelo was a good win and so was Cotto. Cotto went on to beat Martinez for gaaaaaad sakes! Also...we can say what we want about Mosley now, but at the time, Shane was still considered handy. In his previous fight he had destroyed Margarito, y'all musta forgot!

So all this talk about Floyd avoiding challenges post Hatton is booolsheeeet.

He that is forever Sly has Spoken!!

 

By the way, I'm singlehandedly destroying everyone in this debate like a young Clint Eastwood in a shootout with a gang of Mexican bandits.

 

its pretty obvious to me cotto and bob arum werent willing to make the fight when both he and mayweather jr were signed with top rank and it was easy to make.

 

yeah, It would have been a very interesting fight to see. And considering PBF always had trouble against swarmers it's far from a given he would have won this one. Ther'Es a reason why he retired when Williams and Margarito were at the top of their games.

 

You don't duck Williams and Margarito and then move to 154lbs and fight Osc.......never mind, have it your way....

 

That's completely illogical, and the core of the problem is your inability to comprehend the notion of cherry picking. The DLH fight was pure cherry picking. It was a very lucrative fight against an older, semi-inactive fighter. THis fight didn't proved that PBF ducked no one post Hatton. To the contrary, it shows that he was only interested in fights in which the reward/risk ratio was high (bar the Canelo fight), which is what cherry picking is all about

 

You concede that De La Hoya was more formidable than both Williams and Margarito though right?

 

In his prime yeah, but not at the time PBF faced him

 

So......you're saying that at the time Floyd faced him, bearing in mind that in his previous fight he destroyed Mayorga in 6 one-sided rounds, and also bearing in mind that Floyd had been a lightweight just a year or so earlier, and Oscar was now fighting at 154lbs.....Oscar was considered less of a threat to Floyd's "0" than Margarito and Williams?

 

yeah. At the time of the fight, pretty much everyone considered DLH a semi-retired fighter. And by the way the Hopkins fight ended, it was obvious that his heart wasn't in the sport anymore. Most real fans weren't really interested in that fight. It was obvious that the 2007-2008 Margarito and Williams were more dangerous fighter than 2007 DLH. These guys were young, hungry and willing to walk through fire to win a fight. Which wasn't the case for DLH since a long time