Loma vs Walters: Final Predictions

A con job of epic proportions.

Too bad Golden Boy has seen a major decline with all the fighters they've lost to Al Haymon/PBC.

 

gamboa has a fight scheduled at super featherweight for december

 

Gamboa is a waste of talent.

 

Yep. He had his flaws but was very entertaining to watch. I think he has the disease that most boxers have today in that once they achieve some form of notoriety they believe they deserve big money fights and are willing to sit on the shelf until they get one. The promoters/managers are surely more to blame than the boxers but the fighters have to take some responsibility for their career. Look at Walters as the most recent example. He kept on repeating that he needed more fights. He wanted to fight at least three times a year and his loss was due to inactivity. Then you read a little bit more and find out he was holding out for the biggest possible payday against Loma.

Gone are the guys like Chavez or Toney that fought regularly. Instead modern fighters seem to believe they need to be showcased and get giant cheques for gracing fans with showing up.

 

This is the "Legacy DON'T Pay Bills" Era of Boxing, Unfortunately...

But ALL Fighters Subscribing to that Theory Will Get their Comeuppance on the BACK End, When They're BARELY Remembered or Spoken Of by Boxing Media, 20-30 Years Down the Road...Whereas the Chavez's and Toney's Will STILL Be Remembered Fondly...







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It didn't star with Mayweather but he's obviously the worst example of it.

Ali was one of the richest (if not the) on the planet in his day. I can't picture him saying " I don't need no George Foreman or Joe Frazier, here's a few photo of my new Ferraris".

 

ray robinson started it

 

Being difficult to negotiate with, or sitting on the shelf doing nothing the moment he got some form of notoriety?

 

from what i understand he'd sign deals for fights and threaten to back out at the last minute if terms werent renegotiated. once he achieved notoriety he used the leverage as much as he possibly could.

if he were around today do you think he'd have fought over 100 times ? unfuckinglikely

 

Probably not but he did fight double that amount of times, so maybe 70-100 in the modern is not unrealistic. He was also in much more bruising fights without half-weight classes. He also fought outside the U.S.

 

Ray Robinson Cherry Picked???...Where's the List of Guys he Willingly DIDN'T Fight, by his OWN Doing???...

Did Robinson EVER Go Above and Beyond the Boxing Commission of his Day, to Get SPECIFIC Rules Instituted, Prior to Facing THE Biggest Opponent of his Career???...Did Robinson FAIL to Adhere to the Very Same Rules he Had Instituted???...

Please NEVER Mention Ray Robinson and Floyd Mayweather in the Same Breath, Again...






REED:hammert:

 

No, He Wouldn't Fight as Much, but Like Ray Leonard, Who was the MASTER of Leverage, there's NOfuckingWAY Robinson Would've Allowed LEGACY Fights to Sit on the Shelf for as Many Years as Floyd Did w/Pac...

By YOUR OWN Admission, Floyd DUCKED Margarita...Do You HONESTLY Think Ray Robinson or Ray Leonard DUCK Margarita???...






REED::

 

I mentioned Ray Robinson as a pioneer of using leverage to his advantage. you brung up the other guy.

 

Its a fight that might have given boxing fans less of a reason to complain about his career at the time, but it aint like in 30 years anyone would have been trumpeting a victory over margarito. most people on this forum seem to think the guy was a bum, a cheat, etc. If we are talking about a post 26 year old ray leonard, then yes it is certainly possible he wouldnt have bothered to fight margarito. He could have easily fought McCallum or Curry in the early to mid 80s, two guys much more deserving than margarito.

 

I didn't follow the entire conversation between you and Neil so I could be speaking out of turn here but...

Robinson was a notorious tough negotiator. So take that mentality and put him in an era where top fighters make in excess of $30M a fight....and he'd be just like Mayweather.

If Mayweather had to fight 10 fights a year just to make a couple hundred thousand dollars he'd have fought more frequently against all manner of people also.

People have to realize that the boxing game has changed, economically.

There's a saying:

Don't hate the player...hate the game!

 

I'll hate what I want.

 

Ray Leonard Not Only PLAYED the Game, but DIDN'T Neglect or Put Off Any LEGACY Fights Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay PAST its Shelf Life, Either...






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This...

If You Want to Hate the Player, the Game, the Money, the Cars, All the Shit that's Paid For or Even the MOTHERFUCKIN' FLIP PHONE, That's Your Prerogative...

HATE @ Your Leisure!!!...





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haha! Nicely done

 

Pacquiao was the only legacy fight that was put off.

Duran only turned into a legacy fight for Leonard because Duran won. Ray was expected to win that fight without many problems and move on.

Hagler was on old man by the time Ray fought him...it would have meant far more in '82 than it did in '87...so similar to may Pac in that regard.

I don't give Leonard any special credit for fighting benitez as Benitez had the belts that Ray wanted. no different to Floyd fighting for the belts at the various weights he fought at.

I give Leonard credit for the first Hearns fight (not the second). I give Mayweather credit for the Corrales, Canelo and Castillo fights in the same regard.

 

I don't think fighters are fighting any fewer fights for their career than they did in the 90's and 00's.