::::NBA:::: 2016-2017-2018 Season

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Kawhi will NEVER be on Lebron's level! You might as well just fuck around and say that Kawhi is on Mike's level... cause Lebron and Mike are in a league of their own as far as wing players go.

So no, this statement is bullshit. Kawhi is closer to Westbrook than Lebron.

Kawhi has to match Bryant's prime before we can discuss him with Lebron. And although Kawhi is VERY GOOD, he isn't as good as prime Bryant, let alone Lebron.

 

Im talking about right now, from what i have watched lately. Leonard is closer to james than westbrook is to leonard. leonard is reaching his peak and adding to his game each season. james is in a slow decline physically but still the best.

the 3 best players in the nba right now are james, leonard and durant. after them is a gap

 

I disagree. He's suddenly flown under the radar, but I still consider Curry the second best player in the league after Lebron.

After Lebron and Curry, and I'd say Durant. After KD, you can argue all day about how to who's the best outta Leonard, Harden, and Russ.

I'll say this though.... I much rather have Leonard taking the last shot over Westbrook.

 

Yes, LeBron James is Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar Better than Russell Westbrook...LeBron James is Also the ONLY Player in the League Faaaaaaaaaaaaar Better than Russell Westbrook...

REED Looooooooooooooooves Kawhi as Much as the Next Guy, but we Need to See MORE Before DEFINITIVELY Anointing Him Over the Likes of Westbrook...

This is JUST the 2nd Season Kawhi's Been in the Discussion as "One of THE Best Players in the NBA"...REED Would Like to See a LARGER Sample Size...







REED:hammert:

 

The Only CLEAR Edge btwn Kawhi and Russ is Man to Man Defense and Efficiency...

Scoring???...Passing???...Rebounding???...Facilitating???...Leadership???...






REED:hammert:

 

i cant believe this is really an argument. would any general manager in the league take westbrook over leonard?

 

There's Probably NOT a GM that Would Take Westbrook Over Steph Either...Doesn't Mean Steph's "Unquestionably Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar Better" Though...







REED:mj:

 

Steph's better than Westbrook. And as amazing as Russ' 2017 regular season was, I'd still say Curry's 2016 regular season was better.

Curry's not FARRR better than Westbrook, but he is better.

 

Let's be REAL about something regarding Kawhi... he plays for the best run franchise in all of SPORTS, let alone just basketball, with the best system.

Who knows how good Kawhi would be if he was in a shit system like OKC and had to carry scrubs like Adams and Oladipo.

 

Uuuuh, You're MAKING REED's Point FOR Him, Bruh...






REED:scratcher:

 

Valid Point...

BEST Coach in the League, Locker Room Full of SOLID, STABLE Veterans, Small Market City, And There was Absolutely ZERO Pressure Placed on Kawhi, Until LAST Season...Even When he Won Finals MVP, the EXPECTATION Was to Just Make LeBron WORK for His, Period...Kawhi's Performance was GRAVY...

Which is Why REED Wants to See a LARGER Sample Size, Before Making DEFINITIVE Statements about Kawhi...





REED:hammert:

 

Geez this Toronto-Milwaukee series is devoid of offense

 

i dont really care how leonard got to be as good as he is. spurs staff certainly had a major hand in his development but Im just basing my opinion on his skill set. which is miles ahead of westbrooks

 

Please ELABORATE, Because Aside from Man to Man Defense and Efficiency, REED Just Ain't Seeing The GAP You See btwn Them...

"Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar Better"???..."Miles Ahead"???...Not Even Close, Homey....

Again, SCORING???...PASSING???...REBOUNDING???...FACILITATING???...LEADERSHIP???...






REED:hammert:

 

aside from those things? :: those things are pretty important in my evaluation of players.

leonard is THE best defender in the league. he is a better man to man defender as well as a better team defender than westbrook. he is a better shooter than westbrook. from mid range, from 3, from the FT line. he has a better post game than westbrook. better decision maker than westbrook.

 

I'm with Neil on the Kawhi debate. Oh and FUCK Harden!

:nono:

 

John Wall has officially ascended to superstar status.

As far as PG's go, Curry and Westbrook are better, but that's it.

 

Id rather have wall than westbrook

 

Wall's a better defender and facilitator, that's for sure. He's not the scorer WB is, but he's become a very good scorer when he has to be.

 

Playoffs. Parker done! Big loss. Houston will probably flop themselves into a series win now.

Also, these fake 3 point shots to draw a foul are out of control. Used to be you'd see one legitimate foul on a 3 pointer every few games. Now it's several every game. Ridiculous!

Used to be a defender had to initiate contact for a foul to be called. Now an offensive player can just throw himself into a defender without any chance of making a bucket and get a foul called. NBA is quickly turning into the Italian Soccer League.

Fines for flopping? Fuck you Adam Silver! Over-rated commissioner if there ever was one.

Announcers on TV condoning this bullshit to. Replays of guys not even getting touched and kicking their legs out to get a foul getting swept under the rug, while the announcers declare it a brilliant offensive move.

Frustrating.

 

Anybody else think Rudy Gobert is playing in the wrong era? If he came up in the 80's, he might be considered an All-Time Great today. He's a nice player, but his type of skill-set has been marginalized compared to what he would have been allowed to do in another era.

Mark Eaton averaged 5.6 blocks a game in 84-85 with Utah. Gobert might have averaged 8 blocks a game playing under the same rules, not to mention the crazy rebound stats he would be putting up.

 

Flopper James scores 43 points in a loss. On the surface a very good and efficient performance but once again he has the worst +/- stats on the entire team. How many easy buckets did he blow falling down before anybody even touches him? How many three point shots did he throw into the first row, trying to get to the line, instead of just lining up for a clear shot or passing to an open teammate?

Makes everybody around him better? MVP? Fuck Off!

 

Dwane Casey was neck and neck with Cleveland in game 3 until pulling Valanciunas out.

And in typical Casey fashion, got down by about 20 and FINALLY called a timeout

 

Facilitating is a Large Part of "Decision Making"...

Westbrook is SUPERIOR to Kawhi in that Regard...Better Passer, More of a THREAT on Offense, Better Rebounder (Despite Being Shorter), Better Off the Dribble, Better @ Penetrating, Better ATHLETICALLY...And Again, Westbrook's Been in the Mix as a Top 10 Player TWICE as Loooooooooooong as Kawhi Has...Something to Be Said for Having BEEN There and DONE That...

NOfuckingWAY in Hell is Kawhi Leonard "Faaaaaaaaaaar Better" than Russell Westbrook...





REED

 

Yep, Harden's Primary Objective is MANIPULATING Refs Into Calling Fouls...SHAMEFUL for a Player w/Harden's Level of Skill...

And When he DOESN'T Get a Call, he Falls to the Ground, Flails his Arms in Disgust, Leaves his Team in a 4 on 5 Situation on the Other End of the Floor, Gets Up and Bitches to the Refs OR Acts as if there's Pain in a Particular Part of his Body...

The Spurs May Have Cracked his Code Though...Pop Has his Defenders Keeping Hands AWAY from Harden and the Help Defense is Preventing his Penetration...Harden's 3 Ball Fell in the 3rd Quarter of Game 3, but it Dried Up in the 4th and the Spurs Pulled Away...

MUST-WIN Game for Houston, This Evening...





REED

 

If Cleveland Closes Out the Toronto Series Today (& No Reason to Think they Won't), They'll Likely Get ANOTHER WEEK of Rest, as Washington vs Boston Has the Makings of a 7 Game Series...

Speaking of Which, You've Got to ADMIRE Isaiah Thomas' FOCUS, Given the Death of his Sister, Traveling Cross Country Several Times a Week to Grieve w/Family, Getting his Fucking Tooth KO'ed, Having Emergency Dental Surgery All While LEADING his Team in the 2nd Round of the Playoffs...

REED Looooooooooooooves the Chippyness of this Series...2 Younger Squads In Each Other's Way, as Both Try to Ascend to a Higher Level...REED Expects the Wizards to Tie the Series This Evening...

Gordon Hayward and Rudy Gobert are STUDS, but They're Undermanned vs. Golden State...

All in All, This Years Playoffs have Been Rather UNDERwhelming...The 1st Round Sucked and There's Only 2 Competitive Series in the 2nd Round...The Conference Finals Should Be SOMEWHAT Compelling, but the Only REAL Challenge is for Cleveland and Golden State to Both Remain HEALTHY, Until they Eventually Collide for the 3rd Straight Time in the NBA Finals...








REED

 

Hated Hearing This News...

Hopefully Kerr's Back by the Conference Finals...Neil's Probably Happy Though, as he Now Has an Excuse to CLING To, When Cleveland AGAIN Defeats Golden State in the Finals...





REED

 

You'd Probably Take Kyle Lowry, Jeff Teague or Dennis Schroeder Over Westbrook Too...

You DISLIKE his Game, You BLAME Him for Every Kevin Durant Playoff Failure and he's Literally the ONLY Cali Guy You DON'T have a Built-In Bias For...REED Gets It...





REED

 

Wall Hasn't Always Been a Great Locker Room Guy Either...Westbrook's Shown an Ability to Play THRU Pain More than Wall and is (Slightly) More Athletic...

Can't Go Wrong w/Either One Though...





REED

 

You're the one who claimed all season that golden state wouldn't even make the finals