Which one was the better fight? Vote and leave a reasoning, too Personally I give the nod to Tito vs Vargas. Better fighters and more skills at display giving the fight more rewatch value. Plus the ending was more conclusive
Trinidad-Vargas wins because Foreman gave Kathy Duva the LaVar Ball treatment. "Can you imagine a woman now... giving instructions?!?!"
I'm with ugotabe kidding, Trinidad Vargas was better. Castillo-Corrales had sustained action but the drama only happened in the 10th round. YES...that was HIGH DRAMA in the 10th, but the fight is memorable simply because of how it ended. There have been many other fights that had as much sustained action. Trinidad-Vargas however had DRAMA from teh opening bell, when Tito promptly came out and dropped him with a left hook outta the gate. Then dropped him again. Then 2 rounds later gets thumbed in the eye and responds with a low blow...flirting with disqualification. Vargas comes back teh next round and knocks him down. Then Tito is deducted a point for another low blow. The Vargas assumes command of teh fight. Then an action packed round six, where Tito is trying to mount a comeback. Then Vargas starts to outbox him. Then round 9 is a high action round of drama....Tito takes over teh fight and it leads to a brutal and definitive ending. In addition to all of this these were two undefeated titlists going in, thusly making it more meaningful. Trinidad-Vargas all the way.
Literally, there's NO Wrong Answer Here... Trinidad-Vargas had More Ebb and Flow, it was More of a Roller Coaster Ride...Whereas Corrales-Castillo I was More Sustained, Like Driving a Loooooooooong Stretch of Highway, Going Well Over 100mph... Depends on your Preference...REED Rewatches Both a Couple Times a Year... REED
Corralles-Castillo had more ebb and flow but Trinidad-Vargas was more dramatic. A casual like sly can't really appreciate the back and forth changes in momentum in Chico-Castillo but everyone can get into the violent knock downs and ball punches in Tito-Vargas. That's my pick.
I never thought at one moment during Trinidad-Vargas that it was one of those 'career-ending fights'. Corrales- Castillo I thought that around Rd5. Utterly brutal. Both guys fighting like the other stole something from them. Bombs thrown at every possible moment. Horrendous bodyshots going in by the dozen. By far, Corrales x Castillo. The only people who vote for the Trinidad x Vargas fight are usually "Trinidad Groupies'. And back in 2000, SecondsOut.com contained some absolute Nuthuggers Extraordinare of Trinidad. I think you might even guess one of them based on numerous threads started on this forum for another boxer....
Tito-Vargas is an overrated fight. Don't get me wrong, it was a really good scrap and for Vargas to make a fight of it after that first round was amazing, but I think it was a bit too one-sided to really go down as a great fight. It was competitive, but watching it live there was never a point where I thought "you know, Vargas could win this". Corrales-Castillo all day for me.
Corrales-Castillo. Trinidad-Vargas had a lot of drama, and Vargas showed incredible bravery in the face of being outgunned to a superior fighter. A definite fight of the year candidate, though. But Corrales-Castillo literally had you on the edge of your seat. You just DID NOT KNOW who was gonna win this fight as it was going on. Castillo would appear to hurt Corrales, next thing you know, Chico comes back and hurts him with a combination. Even after Corrales got the break for spitting out his mouth piece you never got the impression that he was gonna benefit and then all of a sudden he hurts Castillo badly and finishes him on the ropes. Truly a throwback fight.
If a casual fan asks you to show them a good fight, you can't go wrong with Tito-Vargas. It will hold their interest all the way through, and as soon as they think it's going the distance it ends brutally. Career ending beatings and body shots don't have the mass appeal of mid-range melee fighting and clean "bam" knockdowns.
I'm sorry Terp, but there's NO casual fan who would watch Corrales-Castillo and feel disappointed. I've spoken with SEVERAL casual fans over the years who have seen few fights, yet through word-of-mouth they've seen Corrales-Castillo and mentioned how awesome it was.
They're both great fights but I think Tito-Vargas has a better balance of action and events to make it more rewatchable and appealing to a new viewer. But both great fights.
Trinidad-Vargas is one of my favorites and up there among my most watched fights ever. Corrales-Castillo 1, however, is my #1 fight ever. It just round after round of high quality infighting, something that is increasingly missing in the sport. A lot of subtle moves, body positioning to get at the right angle, terrific short combos, excellent bodywork from Castillo. Corrales hurt Castillo at the end of the 7th round with a short left hook as Castillo was coming in, and then the fight just took off to an even higher level. Just watch how violent the 8th round is, so much back and forth action. That's a round of the year type candidate, and it's gets even better two rounds later Trinidad-Vargas was amazing too. I've watched it many times, and disagree when people often say "Vargas lost because he tried to brawl". Trinidad had turned the tide back in his favor when Vargas was trying to box and move. Trinidad took control early by countering a jab with a monster left hook. Vargas got dropped twice, but gutted it out and lasted the round. Vargas dropped Tito in the 4th..I think Tito would have survived the round even without the low blows, I don't think he was seriously hurt, but nevertheless I do think it was dirty and intentional. Vargas dominated the 5th by boxing and using angles, and had some success doing the same in the 6th, but Trinidad got to him late in the round and hurt him. Vargas was still boxing and using movement, he was on the backfoot, but Tito hurt him with a long right hand with about 30 seconds left in the 6th. That turned the fight back in Trinidad's favor, and Tito kept getting to Vargas with big shots. Tito again hurt Vargas with a long right hand in the 9th, Vargas was again on the backfoot and trying to use the ring. Then Vargas tried to trade with Tito in that round and had some success, but took punishment too. Foreman said "Vargas needs to hit him and move out of the way....if he trades left hooks with Tito, he's done". He was correct, but I respect Vargas for going out on his shield. He was losing on points and not satisfied with that, and took the risk of being KO'd in order to try to win. People always bash fighters for getting stopped, but I have more respect for someone who at least goes for the KO, as opposed to the one who goes into a shell and is content to lose a decision. Barrera-Morales 1 was probably the best fight of 2000, it had better sustained action than Trinidad-Vargas, but I liked the latter fight better. Not only did Barrera-Morales 1 have a bad decision, but I like when fights have that definitive conclusion of a stoppage.
what was incredible in Corrales castillo is that usually, in fights where both are hitting each other so much, they start to lose the snaps on their punches in the middle late rounds, and it goes to a dec( a la morales barrera). The fact that ie end in a ko is what made it one of the best fight ever imo. The early stoppage is a bit of a bummer though
I didn't think it was an early stoppage. Castillo's head was rolling back on his shoulders and he seemed defenseless. Corrales was just going to continue raining punches down on his unprotected noggin and it could have gotten dangerous. All in all, as REED said though, there's no wrong answer here. I thought Corrales-Castillo was one of the best fights of all time and a candidate for the GOAT...absolutely incredible...I just found Tito-Vargas more compelling at the time it was happening and it has more re-watch value for me. That fight had serious ebb and flow, multiple knockdowns, points deducted on both sides, thumbs, low blows and definitive finish. It had everything.
Trinidad-Vargas was too one sided to be considered better than Chico-Castillo. Perhaps some of yall are remembering the fight wrong. Vargas had his moments a won his share of rounds, but overall, most fight was Tito beating the shit outta him.
Trinidad started to take over in the mid rounds and win the rounds but it was still competitive and entertaining. Especially if it's your first time seeing it because it looks like anybody can get dropped at anytime. Compared to Leonard-Hearns where Hearns takes over and the fight becomes slow and boring, the late rounds of Tito-Vargas are tense. Even on rewatching it. There are movies that are great movies and there are movies that are just great to watch. Trinidad-Vargas is the 'Groundhog's Day' of action fights.
It was one sided in the sense that Tito caused more damage and won more rounds but that doesn't by itself tell you the story of the fight as it was happening. After 5 rounds Vargas was leading in rounds and points...considering Tito knocked him down twice in the first round that's staggering. Tito only separated himself from Vargas from the 9th round onwards....but the 9th round was a great round. So it wasn't a one sided fight in the way you're portraying it.
Tito-Vargas was only better in the sense that it was a more important, higher profile, bigger fight. That's it. In every boxing way that counts, Chico-Castillo is on of the short list of the greatest fights of all time. When Tito-Vargas ended, I was immediately thinking "What a performance by Tito." When Chico-Castillo ended, I said "My God, I've never seen anything like this."
