::::NBA:::: 2016-2017-2018 Season

The league is going down the shitter for sure.

The new generation won't be practicing their post-play, or their mid range J at all.

They'll be doing lay-up drills and chucking threes from damn near half court like Curry.

I can't believe that these analytics dipshits have convinced the league that the midrange J is an inefficient shot, when the greatest player of all time made a career from it.

 

Under 01 rules, you can throw young Kobe on Curry and I think he'd play excellent defense on Steph.

 

oneal is a unique situation. the warriors would need another two big bodies on the end of the bench to come in and foul him. thats 30 fouls they could use along with pachulia, mcgee and west.

 

Oh absolutely. I love Curry, but realize he's more a modern style player. He would have been very good in an earlier era and way ahead of his time, as far as his range, but would have gotten mugged a lot more and likely would have had more problems then he already does with nagging injuries and such.

I mean, he'd still be a fantastic player, but not a perennial MVP candidate. More of a Pete Maravich type with a nice highlight reel, some gaudy stats for a few years and a truncated career.

 

Not Sure HOW REED's Take is Offbase...

Golden State Was an Ever Improving PLAYOFF Team Before Kerr Ever Got There, Bruh...In his Very 1st Season, They Win an NBA Title...

If Anything's "Offbase", it's YOUR Apparent ASSumption that Jackson had NATHAN to Do w/That...Very Next Year, Kerr Sits Out MOST of the 1st Half of the Season w/Back Trouble, and Luke Walton Leads Them to 1 Loss in Like 30 Games...

Following Year, Kerr AGAIN Has Back Trouble and Mike Brown Rattles Off 11-12 PLAYOFF Wins, w/Out a Defeat...

You're Basically Praising Kerr for Having Strong ASSISTANTS, but All that Means is he was a Better DELEGATOR of Duties than Mark Jackson, NOT a Better Coach, Necessarily...






REED

 

Probably Time to BENCH J.R. Smith...

You Can't Justify STARTING a Guy Who's Shot 1-6 for 3pts, in 2 NBA Finals Games...

Deron Williams has LITERALLY Shown NATHAN Either, and Probably Doesn't Deserve Another Minute of Playing Time, This Series...

Time to TRIM the Fat, and if Bron has to Play 45 Minutes or Whatever, Soooo Be It....






REED

 

Maybe smith will wake up at home, but I agree about williams. The game just appears too fast for him at this point in his career.

Don't see playin james heavier minutes as the answer. Cleveland needs to find some way to slow the pace of the game down to keep him fresh at the end

 

Role players matter less in the finals.

It really comes down to the superstars, and it's VERY simple - Lebron is gonna have a difficult time outscoring Curry and Durant by himself.

Love and Irving are gonna have to take it to a new level, not JR Smith.

Sadly for the Cavs, they're dealing with the two best scorers in the game and they're playing with perfect chemistry.

 

Cleveland playing shitty transition defense already, so might as well go all in and commit to grabbing more offensive boards. They have the size on Golden State in that regards. Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson already running the floor slow, so commit 100% to the offensive end of things and try to slow the pace down whenever possible so they can get back on defense, even if you have to hack a couple of average FT guys to do so (tough to do with GS admittedly). They can't out efficient Golden State, so they need more possessions then them through turnovers and rebounds.

They will shoot better on home court though, that is a given. Korver, Kyrie and J.R. Smith all have much better shooting splits at home this year as opposed to the road.

Golden State extremely sloppy with the ball in the last game (particularly Curry). They won't be able to get away with that type of complacency in Cleveland.

 

Yeah, Cleveland Definitely Learned the HARD Way, Not to Attempt Running and Gunning w/Golden State...

They HANG w/Them for Stretches, But Those INEVITABLE 9-12pt Runs, in 60 Seconds, Gives the Dubs ALL The Separation They Need...

Slooooooooo it Down and DON'T Get Caught Up Trying to MATCH 3 for 3 w/Them...Can't Beat the Dubs @ Their OWN Game....




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Zo Mourning, a guy that challenged every shot regardless of getting dunked on, would foul out of every game he played if he was in this league. A crying shame it is.

 

Williams Looks Like the Ol' Dude @ the Park, Whipping Out 1970's Dribble Moves, That CAN'T Shake 2017 Defenders...

And he Either Front Rims or BRICKS Every Shot he Attempts...








REED

 

I actually saw someone on another forum saying Jordan would only be as good as DeRozan in today's league. Was serious and others were agreeing. Computer off.

 

Definitely time to bench JR. a PRIME phonetap (never an NBA talent) could produce what JR has done so far...NATHAN.

 

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You're not an old man yet.

 

Well to say Jackson had something to do with GState winning a title when Jackson wasn't even there is just as much if not even more of an assumption. Especially when you factor in that GState was playing an almost completely different style under Kerr while simultaneously improving in nearly every facet of the game.

Also, delegating is what it takes to win in this league. It's a team sport and not just out on the court but on the sidelines, and front offices as well. Jackson's ego was a big part of his failure in GState and in my opinion Kerr came in and borderline made Jackson look like a novice by comparison.

Hell, I wish Donovan had come in and improved OKC over Brooks in a similar fashion, but in that regard you can barely see a difference.

 

phonetap used to hoop with Joe Hammond

 

Also a couple things from the game most people missed. Durant double dribbling after blocking Loves post attempt right before dribbling again.

Also, I honestly think JR Smith tried to take out Durant's ankles on that one three pointer that they compared to the Kawi shot.

 

He looked like he secured the ball after the block and then started to dribble. I don't think that first dribble counts.

 

curry looked like he discontinued his dribble on that play where he went around james for a layup that everyone made a big deal about. if someone is a great shooter and turns the ball over like that its damn near impossible to guard them

 

I don't know. He made the block and then did one controlled dribble to keep it away from Love and then he held the ball before starting another dribble. Here it is, see what you guys think.

I thought he did too. It definitely looked like a carry but after rewatching the play a few times I actually thought it looked kind of legal.

The biggest thing the refs let slide that irks the shit out of me is guys attacking the basket and then pushing their defender away with their forearm. I hate that shit.

 

He should know better than telling a boxing fan that the modern era is as good as the past

 

Yeah but.. DeRozan?

 

There's a huge difference between the two sports though. Fundamentally, boxing hasn't changed at all since like what? The 30s?

It makes it a lot easier for us to compare fighters from different eras than it is to compare NBA players from different eras since b-ball has changed soooo much even from the 90s!!

But, to the statement of Jordan being no better than DeRozan.... whoever said that clearly has no fucking clue whatsoever what they're speaking about.

Prime Jordan would EASILY be the best player in the league in 2017. He'd literally be unguardable in the current NBA.

I'm sure he would utilize the 3 more today, but it still wouldn't be his bread n butter... nor would it have to be.

DeRozan is a HORRIBLE three point shooter.... which is why he doesn't take many of them. That wasn't the case with Jordan. Mike was a decent three point shooter when he actually took them... he simply didn't feel that three should be utilized often.

When Mike DID feel motivated to shoot threes.... look no further than the infamous game 1 of the 92 finals against Portland.

 

Jordan would NOT be "easily" better than Lebron. Better, yes, but not easily.

 

Lebron is past his prime at this point. Still the best player in the game, but past his prime. Early 90s Jordan was better by a pretty clear margin.

Lebron at this point coasts through the regular season at half speed, then turns it up for the playoffs.

Prime Jordan didn't have to do that. He played at an amazing level during the regular season... then kicked it into a HIGHER gear for the playoffs.

He's unquestionably the best playoff performer in history.... check the stats and check the performances.

He'd be EASILY better than an older Lebron.

 

Huh???...

It was the Team Jackson was PART of BUILDING and it's Not Like Steph and Klay WEREN'T Already THE Best Shooting Backcourt in the League (or EVER, as Jackson Stated Back Then)...

They Categorically HAVE NOT Played a Different Style Under Kerr, Than they Did Under Jackson...By Your OWN Admission, You Watch LESS Basketball Than ANY Regular Poster in Hoop Threads, Bruh...This Comment is Fuuuuuuuuuurther Evidence of Such....

Aside from NATURAL Maturation, There ISN'T a Drastic Difference in the WAY Golden State Plays, NOR These "Improvements" You're Attributing to Kerr...

What "Improvements" SPECIFICALLY???...

EVERYBODY Has an Ego, in Professional Sports, Kerr's Is Just EASIER to Digest for Golden State's Front Office...That's Literally THE ONLY Reason He Replaced Mark Jackson, Who was a BETTER Player than Kerr, FYI...

You Said Earlier Jackson WASN'T an "X's and O's" Guy, Which DOESN'T Make Sense, Considering How GOOD of a PG Jackson Was...PG's Almost ALWAYS Transition Into GOOD NBA Coaches w/Very FEW Exceptions...

Funny that You're 1nce Again Shitting on Scott Brooks, a Guy You've ALWAYS Criticized, as a Coach....Any Comments on the CLEAR Improvements He Made in John Wall, Bradley Beal and the Washington Wizards as a Whole???...

To Be Clear, REED Ain't Saying Steve Kerr is a BAD Coach, but Considering How GOOD Golden State was PRIOR to Kerr's Arrival and How they HAVEN'T Skipped a Beat @ ALL During his Absences, REED Thinks his "Impact" on Golden State's Success is OVERRATED...





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Not a FAIR Comparison, as Jordan "Retired" for 1.5-2 Years...

Dude was BURNED OUT on Hoop...Soooooo Who's to Say he'd Have REMAINED Dominant Had he Not Retired?...Who's to Say the Bulls WOULDN'T Have Lost to Hakeem Olajuwon and the Houston Rockets a Time or 2, in the Finals?...

REED Loooooooooooooooooooves Jordan as Much as Anybody, but Dude Gets EVERY SINGLE BENEFIT Of EVERY SINGLE Doubt, in EVERY SINGLE Basketball Debate...

And the Shit Gets OLD...







REED

 

growing up as a piston fan, the thing that was consistent with jordan once he evolved to a championship level was his clutchness in the 4th quarter and down the stretch of games. i saw plenty of games where he shot 3-18 through 3 quarters against the pistons and then turned it on in the final quarter to beat them. as great as james is as an overall player that is what separates jordan from him

 

If 29-year old MJ had to go up against Curry today, a reporter would ask him why Curry is such a better 3-point shooter than him.

MJ would respond "Curry is a better 3-point shooter than I choose to be."