::::NBA:::: 2016-2017-2018 Season

Mike would never be as good a 3-point shooter as Curry. Even if he focused on it.

He's better than Steph at virtually every other facet of the game, but Curry is unquestionably a more talented long range shooter.

 

Agreed. Ultimately, that's always been what separated them.... late game execution. Lebron has some brilliant late game performances, but he also his share of duds. And has too many UNDERWHELMING finals performances as opposed to MJ, I.E. the pathetic game 6 against the Mavs in 2011.

Jordan was always great down the stretch of games. And ANYBODY who tells me that they'd trust Lebron with the ball in the final two minutes more than Mike is fucking LYING!

 

curry is a far superior ball handler than jordan as well

 

Well yeah he's a fancier ball handler than Jordan. But Mike had those freakishly big hands that allowed him full control over the ball at all times.

Curry had to evolve great handles to get by guys, since he isn't an athletic freak.

MJ had that otherworldly first step when he was YOUNG...not talking about the older, post-retirement Jordan. He'd be in front of a defender one moment then BOOM... he's at the rim.

 

I still don't quite agree the notion about 'clutch players', be it Jordan, Bird or whoever.

If a player shoots 3-18 in the first three quarters and 6-6 in the last, helping his team pull out the win, he is greater than a guy who shoots 3-6 in every quarter?

Basically this means that a player is greater if he can pull his team out of a slump which he has caused himself. The other guy doesn't get the credit cos his team is winning all the way - because of him.

How this relates to Jordan and James is that the bigger stronger guys tend to fade later in the games. Especially guys like James, who wrestle in the post and grab rebounds, helping their team to be there in the 4th quarter. If he is too spent to dominate the latest minutes, that shouldn't count against him.

Don't get me wrong, I do think Jordan is the greater player, the greatest ever. I just think this 'clutch' and 'winner' nonsense has no basis

 

jordan took a lot more physical punishment than james ever has. it aint like jordan went 3-18 in the first three quarters very often. but nearly every time i saw him do that he still came through down the stretch of games, as he also did in games where he shot well the first 3 quarters.

 

Yeah, I was about to say... you can't compare the level of physical punishment that both took.

At the end of the end of the day, I don't think there's a great level of separation in caliber between Jordan and James in their primes. That is to say, yes, Lebron's the second best player ever at this point.

Mike was a more consistently dominant playoff performer... that's what puts him ahead IMO.

Lebron was so dominant in bringing the Cavs back in the finals last year, that I think a lot of his groupies forgot that he's had his share of UNDERwhelming finals performances.

Don't get me wrong, overall, Lebron throughout his career has been 85% great in the playoffs. He's no playoff fraud like Harden. But he wasn't as consistently great as Jordan.

 

The ERA Jordan Played in was More Physical, but Let's NOT Minimize the Level of Punishment Bron Absorbs...

REED Doesn't Recall Mike EVER Rocking a Mask, to Shield his Broken Nose...







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Now if the Dubs win the title, is San Francisco gonna BS their way to a parade since the team is going back there in 2019, or does Oakland get a 2nd parade

 

Urban Legend Will Tell You Jordan MADE Every Single Game Winner he Ever Took...

But How "Clutch" was he When Detroit Was Kicking his Ass Every Year in the Playoffs? How "Clutch" was he When Orlando ELIMINATED the Bulls from the Playoffs?

Another Reason the "Clutch", "Winner" Argument Lacks Little Basis is the SUBJECTIVITY of the Refs...Fact of the Matter Is, Micheal Jordan NEVER EVER Fouled Out of a Playoff Game, Despite Being 1 of the More AGGRESSIVE Perimeter Defenders We've Seen...

The Steal he Got On Karl Malone (Basically SLAPPING the Ball Away from Him) COULD Have Conceivably Been Called a Foul...REED's Definitely Seen Similar Plays Whistled Before...

But NOBODY Called Fouls on Jordan...Not to Mention the Game Winner he Made Over Russell, Seconds Later...CLEAR ASfuckingDAY Push Off, but Again, NOBODY Called Fouls on Jordan...

Make No Mistake, Michael Jordan IS the GOAT, but People Act Like he was PERFECT, Or Like he Always Came Thru When it Mattered, 100% of the Time...

He Didn't...







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One of the main differences between Jordan and Lebron is that Jordan is agressive and Lebron is more passive-agressive.

It felt like early in Lebrons career he would fold when the pressure was on. That 2010 playoff series against Boston is still one of the stranger things that I've seen. The way Lebron gave up on his team was something I could never imagine Jordan doing. And then his first year in Miami he was getting punked out by Jason Terry in the finals. It seemed like he was going through the motions. Hell, Lebron didn't even score 25 in a single finals game until his third trip to the finals.

Just like that last playoff series against Boston he had a bizarre, game and they lost.
It almost seems like he's always trying to prove a point but it's in some passive agressive way.

Lebron is a great basket ball player and he's erased some of the negatives that were said about him early in his career but he's never reached the invincible status that Jordan did in the 90's IMO.

 

No, YOU are the one who's putting words into people's mouths. No one ever said Jordan made 100% of game winners, or was never at fault, or didn't receive preferential treatment from refs.

But at the same time, he WAS the best playoff performer of all time, and he has less playoff duds than Lebron.

Why can't we just leave it at that? OVERALL, I think Lebron's a great playoff performer.

 

1st of All, YOU Put Words in the Mouths of Fightbeaters ROUTINELY, Whether You Realize it Or Not...

2nd, REED Replied to Ugo's Post...Not Really Sure Why You're Sooooooooooooo Fucking DEFENSIVE...





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REED Attributes a BIG Part of That to Bron Being THE Most SCRUTINIZED Player in NBA History...

Jordan Could HIDE the Fact he was Actually an Asshole, Because Social Media Didn't Exist and Mainstream Media Was Considerably LESS TabloidISH...Whereas Bron Had to Be "ON" Most of the Time, Even Off the Court...Instead of Just Saying "Fuck It" and Doing What he WANTS to Do, for Better or Worse (Like Jordan and Kobe Did), Bron was More Thoughtful, Calculated and CONCERNED w/Other People's Opinions of Him...

And Obviously More SENSITIVE to Negative Reactions...

Also, Bron Came to the NBA Straight from High School, Unlike Jordan...4 Years After Graduating, Bron Lead Arguably THE Worst Squad Ever Seen, to the NBA Finals...Whereas, Jordan Put In 3 Years at North Carolina, THEN Played his 1st NBA Finals in Year 7...






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word. X is the last person who should complain about putting words in someone's mouth.

 

For what it's worth, as a PERSON, Lebron's a much better role model for kids than Mike.

"I wanna be like Mike!"

Kids didn't realize that meant being a degenerate gambling, hard drinking, cigar smoking, narcissistic asshole.

BTW.... the infamous Jordan "flu" game against the Jazz is one of the worst cover ups in sport's history.

Mike wasn't sick. He was hung over. Which I guess is just as impressive. Most players can't have a game like that SOBER, much less drunk.

 

sounds like a cool motherfucker to me.

really? never heard anyone claim that before.

 

Jalen Rose. LOL.

I'm half kidding about that part. There's also a theory that he had food poisoning.... which I find more realistic than hung over.

 

rose eh

best thing i recall about rose was shaquille oneal asking bryant on twitter if he woke up and knew he'd have 81 points when he saw rose was guarding him

 

The series all comes down to tonight. If the Cavs win, maybe they extend it to 5-6.

Warriors win, and break out the brooms.

 

Lonzo on the Lakers: "They have a lot of good players. I just think they need a leader at point guard. I feel I can bring that to the team."

Shahan Ahmed on Twitter

 

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Concussion protocol time for james

 

Thompson (the yank one) > Green

 

This game proves Mike Brown > Steve Kerr

 

helluva game from irving. that kid really is a wizard around the bucket

 

Welp! It's over. Congratulations, 2017 NBA Champion..... Golden State Warriors.

 

at least there was one good game in the NBA post season

 

Lebron telling the media that Durant kicked him in the nuts and threatened his family, and should be suspended the rest of the series.

 

i think it would have been interesting to see a younger james with this same cavalier team. he has expend so much energy to keep the team in it that at this stage of his career (14 years with at least another 2 full seasons of playoff games with heavy minutes) he is spent by the 4th quarter