OFFICIAL DISCUSSION: Floyd Mayweather Vs. Conor McGregor |August 26 2017

I agree except for 'puttin faggot mma fans in their place'. I agree most are fags, but most mma fans dont think Conor has much chance and the fact is... in mma Conor wins and in REAL fight Conor would have to be a very heavy favorite...

 

McGregor stamina will be spent after a few rounds. PBF will KO him even if he doesn't want to

 

Basically agreed and as I correctly pointed out earlier, the 'integrity' of the oldest sport in the world, the 'sweet science' of Boxing will be severely tested if Mayweather somehow loses so it basically rests on his shoulders.

Btw, the odds on McGregor winning:
https://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&...ggcMAA&usg=AFQjCNExqZLrt3VurVKClyYGhSVZCP9amg

Insane.

 

Because fighting at 3 minutes per round using punches is much harder than 5 minutes per round using punches/kicks/grappling/wrestling.

Wrong.

 

Dumb example

It's not harder or easier. It's different. a guy who never went numerous rounds to pace himself in a boxing match will gass real fast, even if he has a terrific cardio.

sometime I wonder if you really have some combat experience as you claim you have

 

I wouldn't be posting if I didn't have the experience to make such a claim.

4x a week at this moment in time (no Taekwondo you'll be pleased to know) but no matter what my own VO2 max level is to back it up, it's probably neither here nor there to you I guess.

 

do you think you could take out jesus the mongrel in a 6 round sparring session? he is an admitted roider, btw

 

I have no issue with Jesus of Montreal.
(or anyone else on this forum.)
He's a good poster who I've often agreed with.

But for some reason I've clearly irritated him at some point recently...

 

That's definitely how I see it. Mayweather plays it safe against experienced pro boxers, and even if he plays it safe, Mayweather will still stop him because McGregor will still leave more openings than guys like Berto, Canelo, Mosley, Pacquiao, JMM, etc....McGregor's muscle memory is so used to a different sport.

Floyd may carry him a few rounds, but I doubt McGregor lasts the distance. It'd be embarrassing if Floyd couldn't stop him.

 

Nah man. I kind of like you. but recently you're saying some weird shit. If you train as much you should know that stamina in a sport doesn't translate to another, even if the sports are similar. When I was training in MMA I could box a few rounds, but was absolutely dead after doing a few take downs, and there were guys for whom it was the complete opposite

 

Floyd, even at 40, can stop McGregor as quickly as he wants.

But I'm convinced the fix is for Floyd to carry him.

BEST case scenario, maybe McGregor goes the distance and convinces himself that he's a real boxer.

Then he convinces himself he can take on a guy like Spence...

 

1. Floyd-Pac II Wouldn't Do as Well as the 1st Bout, Obviously, but it'd Still Do 1.5 to a Couple Million Buys in REED's Opinion...

Floyd vs. Canelo or Triple G Would Do BIG Business...Given his Exposure to FREE TV, REED Thinks Floyd vs. Keith Thurman Would Do BETTER Numbers than You're Insinuating...

2. Mexicans CARRY the Sport of Boxing...The Biggest Boxing Days of Each Calendar Year are the Weekend of Cinco de Mayo and the Weekend of Mexican Independence Day...

On a Grassroots Level, Mexicans Participate in DROVES...If You Polled 10 Random Dallas Area Mexican Dudes, REED Would Wager 6-7 of Them Boxed Themselves or Have a CLOSE Relative who Did...Literally, REED Knows of about 20-25 Different Boxing EXCLUSIVE Gyms...

MMA Gyms are More High Brow, EXPENSIVE and Therefore Harder to Develop Skill and Talent @, for Lower Income Participants...

Mexican Fans have SUSTAINED Boxing on Every Level for the Better Part of the Last 20 Years Now, and REED Doesn't See That Changing Anytime Soon...




REED

 

Yep, ESPECIALLY the 1's Barking the Loudest about NOT Watching...







REED

 

I still maintain that boxing will outlast MMA. I'm very confident of that.

 

I'm not saying I won't watch, but I am DEADLY serious about not ordering it.

My PPV dollars are reserved for Golov-Canelo... I ain't spending money on this farce.

 

Well fair enough: I know the difference, stamiba-wise between the following: Boxing / Muay-Thai / Jiu-Jitsu (and the MMA combination of the latter two, as novice as I am):

The physical output in boxing is not necessarily greater than MMA, but more in-line with what an aerobic athlete experiences.
MMA requires a combination of anaerobic and aerobic fitness that includes kicking, takedowns, fighting/clinching, grappling, defending in the BJJ guard or executing submissions. These are all examples of anaerobic elements of the game, which are missing in boxing.
The point I should have made is McGregor has spent so long training these anaerobic factors and conditioned his muscles in way that will not necessarily serve him well in a boxing match.

(I think somewhere else I made a comparison of 100m sprinter entering a middle-distance run.)

What will have an effect on McGregor's stamina is only throwing punches with heavier gloves and moving aroinf in footwear.

 

And thaT's exactly wy he'll be gassed after only a few rounds (coupled with the fact that he'll be so stressed out cause he's not in his element)

 

Excellent point!
And one that I can concur with personally....even down here in Brasil...

 

Don´t forget though -he isn´t fighting a high-output opponent: Floyd´s a counter-puncher and a defensive one at that.
I really dont think the punch-output/stamina/aerobic-vs-anaerobic argument wil be a factor in this contest.

 

Most definitely. Boxing is more of a science in two senses:

1. You are fighting within more controls and constraints
2. It's less random than MMA because of those constraints

Highly unlikely to see MMA guys dominate for a decade or more like a Mayweather, Louis, Holmes, Hagler, Duran, Monson, Hopkins etc do to the fact that in a street fight any fucking thing can happen at any given time: sudden kick to the head, arm bar, choke out, quick take down and ground and pound etc.

Boxing facilitates more of an intellectual discussion to break down a fight based on styles etc. It's More of a science. As such it'll always capture the imagination better and it'll endure longer. MMA is more about the end result than the fight itself. Very little rewatch value in MMA. You may rewatch the final knockout/submission but you're unlikely to rewatch the entire fight

 

Exactly.

 

It really shows that you don't know a lot about MMA and the sad thing is that you've been spewing the same bullshit for numerous years even If I corrected you more than once. It's simply not true that there is more randomness in MMA. There's been ton of dominant champions, and since there is less weightclass and almost only one orgaisation that matters, the champs are always fighting the top opposition, hence why guys lose more often. If the top boxers were always fighting the top boxers like it's the case in MMA, there would be a lot more upset and a lot less unbeaten ''dominant'' champ a la Calzaghe and Ottke.

 

I'll have a friendly wager with you that if this fight goes past 4 rounds, Mcgregor will be running on fumes

 

Forget Calzaghe and Ottke...

What about the ones I mentioned? Louis, Robinson, Armstrong and Charles fought in eras before Super/Jnr weightclasses. I could add Chavez, Whitaker, Trinidad, Robinson, Ricardo Lopez and on and on in terms of dominant champs who fought everyone. It has nothing to do with the best fighting the best. It's all to do with the fact that it's a science that some have mastered over the years.

MMA has tremendous skill, no doubt but it is not a sport that you can analyze anywhere to the depth of boxing when it comes to two combatants and how the fight can play out. Not saying that you can't analyze to be clear, jut saying that not to the boxing depth. For example...Hagler vs Nigel Benn. Anyone that knows boxing knows that Hagler knocks him out 9 times out of 10, due to the fact that Nigel at Middleweight often punched himself out as he was always throwing haymakers going for the KO and Hagler's chin was such that he can walk through pretty much every punch and also had unending stamina and exerted immense pressure. Scientifically we can break down the styles clash. In MMA, sure you can say that one is a wrestler and the other is a Kick Boxer...and as such you can say what one can do to win and what the other has to do to win (Striker must strike and grappler must grapple)...however there's no fucking way of knowing exactly how the fight will turn out because striker could win by first second KO with a well placed kick or wrestler could win by first second submission after grabbing the fucker. If they fought 10 times there could be 10 different results. Anything could happen....and most MMA comes down to that.

 

Again, this is simply not true. Look at guys like Jon Jones who was on a tear at LHW and seemed unbeateable, or Mighty Mouse who's pretty much unbeatable at flyweight or guys like GSP (undefeated for how long) or Silva (who only lost once age caught up to him).

of course the list is shorter since the sport is much younger, but it's simply not true that there is less dominant champs than in boxing. In fact, if the talent was as concentrated in boxing, I think that the champions reign would be shorter in boxing than in MMA.

a guy like trinidad is the perfect example of that. If boxing talent was as concentrated as it is in MMA, he wouldn,t have stayed undefeated as long, cause once (or if) he won the belt, he would have continuously faced top guys like DLH, Quartey, Wright, Vargas, Reid, Mosley, forrest etc.

he wouldn't have got no gimme like Camacho, larry Barnes or Rodney Moore

 

I think he starts to gas-out around 6-7 rounds which is around the time the referee stops the fight...

 

It's a farce and I couldn't care less. It's not out of spite it's out on zero interest.

Also, I'm thinking you're underestimating my dislike for Floyd. I watched the entire Pacquiao fight (that night), never watched all of the Canelo fight (maybe saw a few rounds on youtube). Watched all of the Cotto fight, never saw the full Ortiz fight.

Floyd will not take a fight he knows he can't win or have a significant advantage. Fighting a guy with zero professional experience...yeah, that's definitely a "must watch." Not.

 

BTW, was talking to an MMA fan of mine and he said, "who do you think would win in a real fight?"

To which I responded, "anyone who's getting punched in the face is in a real fight dummy."

 

Nicely done. There's hope for you Americans yet....

 

What should happen is this:

Floyd should mismatch him in the boxing ring and then challenge him to a cage fight. The cage fight would generate even bigger interest.

From what I understand: Conor isn't much of a grappler...although obviously significantly better than Floyd....but with Floyd's edge in punching, speed and movement it'll still be an intriguing fight.