Canelo Cotto 07 Oscar 2010 Mosley Victor Ortiz Robert Guerrero Marquez 2015 Pac Who wins these matchups?
Prime Robinson at his best, I suppose. KO's Cotto within 6. Just too much of everything. Makes Oscar quit in the mid rounds. Turns Mosley into a good boy early, and breaks him down for a late rounds KO. KO's Ortiz very early. Victoria gets no chance to quit. KOs Guerrero in the mid rounds. Too much accumulated punishment. KOs Marquez early. Too big, too strong, too fast. KO's Manny in the mid rounds. Again, too big, too strong, and too fast. Plus, the power.
This would literally be easy work for Robinson. You know Trinidad is my boy but he damn sure ain't the GOAT. Prime Trinidad would be a huge favorite to ko anybody Floyd ever fought at the time he fought them. Who would have a realistic chance? But to understand Floyds greatness you first have to understand his struggle.
To be fair, Floyd was pretty old for a lot of these fights. But his opposition was disappointing regardless. Forget about Mayweather's opposition, how would Robinson do against Oscar's opposition? I won't count 130 as Robinson started out at 135 (and beat champion Angott in a title bout 11 months after his pro debut).
Robinson wins these, but when you look him on a film it is obvious that he is not as good as the legends claim
P4p Mayweather is a better fighter than Robinson technically. Robinson could be out boxed and out hustled and was nowhere as elusive as Floyd or shown as much ability to adapt mid fight ( Robinson usually need a rematch to correct things that weren't working for him). Robinson had more power than Mayweather and better flurries but Floyd beats him in most other categories. Anyone who actually knows the mechanics of the game and is truthful would agree with me
The adapting skill is not quite comparable, since Robinson fought much more and in an era when films were less available
What people don't realize is that if you take Floyd and put him in the 50s, he'd look like a superhero.
If Floyd didn't look like a superhero against THE biggest bum to ever win a belt in Baldomir, then how in GOD'S NAME is gonna look like a superhero against say... Carmen Basillo? Floyd would run in the 50s just as he did in the 00s. And the "Robinson needing a rematch" comment made me chuckle. It's almost as if you swept under the rug that the tax evader lost to Castillo, and needed a rematch to make it right... in a HORRIBLY boring rematch win, btw.
Floyd was injured in the first Castillo fight my boy, well documented that he was nursing a left shoulder injury...and yet he still won at least 7 rounds of that fight. Dude was switching stance to protect his left and everything in his first fight at lightweight and still won. P4p Floyd would embarrass basilio, fulmer, lamotta etc. You know it as well as I. Come on dude....I feel the good in you. The emperor ( cdogg) hasn't driven it from you fully. There's still hope for you to come back to the light.
Regarding Robinson....the guy is a legend. He had a beautiful style of fighting and fought everyone. He's also very overrated nowadays though. People act like he was the best fighter that ever lived and will ever live. That's nonsense.
Best fighter that I've ever seen ( to this point) is a prime Roy jones. Ray Leonard was as good as Robinson IMO: not as much power obviously but a better overall boxer. Many other guys that I'd put on robinsons level in terms of overall talent; Whitaker, Hopkins, Mayweather just to name 3.
I think most people on this forum share the opinion that prime Roy was the best we've ever seen. Even as his biggest fan, I'm disappointed with the way his career turned out, but yes, I'd say the mid-to-late 90s Jones was the best fighter ever.
Robinson really only needed rematches at MW after he had like 140 pro fights or so. His only loss in his first 125 fight was against LaMotta who had 16 lbs on him. Floyd would still have a great W-L record in Robinson's era, a lot of wins, some losses. You're going to have some off-nights when you fight 15-20 times per year. He would have a low KO% and slap more to protect his injury-prone hands. Tommy Loughran was similar.
I think Kid Gavilan beats Floyd Mayweather. And the likes of Lamotta, Zivic, and Armstrong give him hell. Floyd might be able to beat them, but as much as he'd be fighting and as tough as those guys were, it would be very hard to NOT have the odd loss here and there. Plus the same day weigh ins and 15 rounders.
Zovic was slow and crappy. Looked like he was moving in molasse. He is not giving any trouble to pbf. Agreed with the rest
Robinson was perhaps the best offensive fighter of all time, that was his strength. He wasn't a particularly clever boxer though like people think. He had a slick style but he was rather hittable for a master boxer.
Video footage. It's a remarkable thing, you should check it out sometime...it actually allows you to see things that happened in the past...
The pressure on fighters to actually fight in robinson's day rather than to avoid fighting by all legal, semi and illegal means available and pong the joint out as floyd does was pronounced. Boring fighters didn't get shots. Ive said before that, had Ray Leonard been content to fight in as safety first, low action a manner as floyd against the same calibre of opposition, he'd have been hit just as infrequently - robinson was even more commited to boxing as a violent hurt sport than leonard. What you percieve as atavistic technique is a difference in intent. Throw floyd back into the 40s and he'd be forced to really fight, throw robinson into the naughties and be forced to become more circumspect and cautious
I don't believe this right away. There has always been slow-paced fights and defensive spoiler fighters who try to win on points. Just look at the oldie tapes from Jack Johnson era
Yeah probably. Sometimes when ive had some stout I just like typing specious stuff, especiouly if it lets me fyewd with sly about floyd.
I think with Floyd's level of opposition, Robinson and many other great welterweights would also have retired undefeated. But does Floyd get out unscathed fighting the level of competition that Ray fought night in, night out and pull off the same record Robinson did? I doubt it. In fact, I'm sure Floyd would have losses too. Being an all time great at 130-135 doesn't make you one at 147-154.
Utter nonsense. No fighter likes to get hit. Plus Floyd has shown aggression many times. You don't win all fights by just being negative
Robinsons level of opposition is exaggerated on account of the names being historical. The guys he fought were not necessarily collectively better than the guys Mayweather fought. Lamota, Turpin, basilio, fulmer etc were no better in aggregation than Canelo, pacquiao, de la Hoya, corrales, Cotto etc Robinson's opposition sound better but look at tapes of those guys compare with tapes of Mayweather's guys and you'll realize that there is no real edge for Robinson.
Most fighters are willing to risk getting hit ocassionally to the end of laying some hurt on the other guy, some more than others. If floyd could win a round 2 body jabs to nil against an overmatched opponent he would, neither of the Rays would settle for that
